[aprssig] AA3JY-4 and WIDEN-N

Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf2 at aol.com
Sun Apr 24 00:23:45 CDT 2005

joe at dellabarba.com wrote:

> The TT on my boat has had the same path for a long time. It worked 
> fine until last week. I was wondering if someone reprogrammed this 
> digi to ignore RELAY and WIDE. I *know* there has been a huge 
> discussion about paths here, but what that translates into out in the 
> field is not always so obvious. The unit is hard mounted and wired to 
> the boat and reprogramming it is not a trivial task. I am frequently 
> out where there are few or no digis in range. Now if I use a path like 
> RELAY,WIDEn-n it will NOT work some places.
> 73
> Joe
>> Once again see:
>>        http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/fix14439.html
>> or the mirror of this page on my website at:
>>       file:///F:/wa8lmf/WB4APRwebsiteMirror/aprs.html
Effective immediately, RELAY is considered obsolete.  Digis all over the 
country are switching amazingly rapidly (considering the rancourous 
debate of the last 6-9 months) to the "New Paradigm" standard and are 
disabling both RELAY and dumb WIDE.   The replacement for "RELAY" (i.e. 
for home stations that want to be a first hop into the network) is now 

The equivalent of "RELAY, WIDE " (two hops) or "RELAY, WIDE2-2" (three 
hops) in the old order of things  is now    "WIDE1-1, WIDE2-1"   (two 
hops) or  "WIDE1-1, WIDE2-2" (three hops) . 

A home station not capable of true WIDEn-N, that wants to be a digi,  
sets his alias for digipeating to "WIDE1-1" which even a simple dumb TNC 
digi can repeat. Then the second hop "WIDE2-2" can be handled by true 
WIDEn-N digis that can properly decrement the SSID; i.e  

However, if a true N-n WIDE happens to hear the first hop WIDE1-1 
(instead of a home station), it will repeat it and handle it properly 
with N-n type dupe supression. 

Furthermore, if you are truely " frequently out where there are few or 
no digis in range.", why would the path matter at all?  

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