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[aprssig] New n-N success in North Carolina

Robbie - WA9INF mwrobertson at comcast.net
Sat Feb 12 00:56:46 UTC 2005


So Eric, what will it take for mobile travelers to use your area if you 
are abandoning WIDEn-N? One says use RELAY,WIDE2-2, Others say no to 
RELAY period and others say use RELAY,SSn-N, or LNKXXn-N

Do we have a way of knowing when we start out on our trips where to park 
and change our dumb tracker UNPROTO paths?

I got a bad feeling about all this.. The country is going to become all 
fragmented because of all the confusion with all this hip shooting.

Robbie

Eric H. Christensen wrote:

> See below...
> 
> 
>>>>>ke4tzn at cox.net 2/11/05 11:44:40 AM >>>
>>>
>>>We have now changed over the the new SSn-n and
>>>lnkn-n here in eastern NC. Since these changes I have 
>>>now been able to hit my local digi 90-95% of the time using 
>>>only 5 watts! In the past it has taken 50 watts and only 
>>>50-60% of my packets have been heard.
>>
>>Thank you for moving out on the New n-N Paradigm so
>>quickly.  But as with many things that are new, we have
>>already learned an awful lot about how we can still
>>improve things.  And since the first idea of LNKn-N and
>>SSn-N came out, we have learned thse new issues:
>>
>>1) SSn-N is still a perfect way to go for most local ops
>>    it remains a great feture of the New n-N Paradigm
> 
> 
> Absolutely!
> 
>  
> 
>>3) We found a simpler way to TRAP large N hops without
>>    haivng to drop WIDEn-N completely
> 
> 
> This will not work.  Yes, you can trap SOME of the WIDEn-N packets
> but that won't stop 4-4, etc.  PLUS, in NC we are putting additional
> LANs up to support gating of weather bullitens and objects so they
> don't go outside of the area. (We have someone on the Western part of
> Virginia or NC that is sending out bulletins to a very WIDE area.)
> So we don't have room to trap all these bad n-N packets.  By doing
> away with WIDEn-N, we have freed up our network from a lot of packets
> that used to come in from all over.  John's assessment is accurate.
> 
> 
> 
>>4) LNKn-N will never work since it simply takes too much
>>    coordination and wont be of any value unless all links
>>    in the chain are good.    It has been abandoned
> 
> 
> I disagree.  As you coordinate the SSn-N you coordinate the LNKn-N.
> We ALREADY have THREE digipeaters up on the 95LNKn-N and that was
> within a month.  Not a lot of work there...
> 
> 
> 
>>What you have done is a great positive step.  But please 
>>re-visit the New n-N Paradigm site and prepare for one more 
>>round of changes.  Basically, send out a bulletin reminding 
>>everyone how much better SSn-N (or Wn-N) is than W,W or R,W.  
>>Then you can turn back on the WIDEn-N but with the filters on 
>>55,66,77 or what ever limit you want...
> 
> 
> I think the next best thing is to eliminate the WIDE and TRACE.
> 
> 
> 
>>>This has been the best thing that has happened to APRS
>>>to date. I hope we don't back track to our older ways.
>>
>>ANd thanks for trying it.  And dont be upset with this
>>latest change.  We have learned a lot from the user
>>feedback and it will make it even better...
> 
> 
> I disagree.  Even letting WIDE4-4 through would bring in many packets
> from hundreds of miles around and then we are back at square one.
> 
> Eric KF4OTN
> 
> 
> 
>>de WB4APR, Bob
>>
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