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[aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility

Robert Bruninga bruninga at usna.edu
Mon Feb 21 13:58:30 UTC 2005


>>> Eric Christensen <kf4otn at earthlink.net> 02/20/05 3:23 PM >>>
> I wish you would address the possibility of a user... path 
> of WIDE7-6 to get through our filters...

There are several important aspects to the New n-N Paradigm:
1) Its a very big change from the past.  The last 13 years of
    evolution had lots of legacy settings that not only are no
    longer needed but in fact were holding us back from a better
    network.
2) The biggest QRM problem it turns out in the East coast
    area was not large N's from the few abusers, but from the
    70% of us that were still using the multiple-dupe-generating
    paths of RELAY,WIDE and WIDE,WIDE or WIDE,WIDE,WIDE
3) Now users are told one thing:  Use WIDEn-N with-a-small-value-
    of-N for your area.  In NC that should probably be 3-3 in 
    general.
4) So bottom line, is that users have now ONE receommendation.
5) DIGIS have a *consistent* way of operating
6) DIGIS have a consistent display (R,W3,NCn) alerting all users
    in a consistent abbreviation set as to what path systems are
    supported.  In this case RELAY, WIDEn-N up to 3 and NCn-N

Yes, for a while there may be some people who individually may
try to circumvent the system.  But they are not going to significantly
impact the big performance improvement of this system when
everyone else gets on board.  Give them all a chance to learn
the new simpler and better way of operating.

ALso a bulletin should be floating around in your are with the
recommended path.  SOmethingn like "WIDE3-3 or NC3-3 is 
best in this area."  And this does not mean you should go after
the occasional western trucker that drives through with WIDE4-4
since he wont be around long...

>messages to this SIG that complained because when the 
>SSn-N LANs came into play they could no longer send messages 
>to far away locations...

Then they need a local IGate.  Very simple solution. or they 
can specify the route as in DIGII1, DIGI2, DIGI3..  So we need
to educate the users.  Also any message further than about
3 hops is a complete waste of time.  The probabliitites are
so low as to be useless...

>..if we put WIDEn-N back in... they would be the ones that 
> would circumvent our filters and reduce the reliability of 
> our LANs. 

Yes, but they are a vast minority.  Give them time to adjust
and they will probably come around.  Again, in the past 13
years we had no consistent set of education that would guide
users.  Now we do.  And because it is consistent, it is better
for everyone to see what is "normal" and what is not...

>Your plan will not work to prevent spamming of our LANs; 
>it only makes offenders become more creative.

I dont think they are intenionally spamming.  I think it is 
because they dont understand the network and have not
been informed of the New n-N Paradigm.  And their software
does not alert them of the damage they may be causing...

It will take a while, but I think most hams want to do the
right thing, as long as there is a consistent and easy way
to tell them what the right thing is.   WIDEn-N and SSn-N
I think will be great tools.  The way I see it, WIDEn-N is
for small values of N.  If one wants to use N one step
larger, then he should use SSn-N. etc...

de WB4APR< Bob




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