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[aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility

A.J. Farmer (AJ3U) ajfarmer at spenet.com
Tue Feb 22 06:16:39 UTC 2005


I found the guy you are talking about.  You gave me enough clues.  FindU is
great. ;-)

I thought only on eHam did everything turn into a code/no-code debate.  Your
friend who made the initial contact even offered to make a telephone contact
with him to discuss what was going on but he scoffed at that.  One thing is
for sure, some Hams are just grumpy and set in their ways and that's the way
it is. ;-)  

The solution to this is not to remove WIDEN-N from your area and make you
incompatible with everyone else.  I'm sorry you have to deal with this guy,
but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater when trying to deal with
him!  This just proves that "fixing APRS" is not just a technical issue, but
a political and emotional one as well (as if we didn't already know that).

Good luck!!

A.J.

-----Original Message-----
From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
On Behalf Of Eric Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:29 AM
To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility

Well, unfortunately there are people out there that you just can't work with
and ruin it for everyone else.

Case in point.  Monday evening a friend of mine was trying to help a ham out
that was using a bad path (RELAY,WIDE,WIDE,WIDE).  As so many people up here
say "education is the best way and will always work" he attempted to contact
the station and ask him to use a better path and explain why it is a better
path.  This conversation was not taken lightly and I actually have a copy of
the conversation off of findU to prove how much of a LID this guy really is.

His reasons for not updating his path to something more appropriate???

1) He was taking advice from a No-Code Technician
2) He felt like if he ignored the No-Code long enough, then the no-code
would go away.
3) He had possessed his Amateur Radio License longer than the no-code.
4) He had more history in APRS.

So much for education.  I'm really trying to be nice by not posting the
conversation on the SIG because honestly I was a little taken back by this
guy's reaction and attitude.  The "no-code" that I'm referring to is
probably the nicest guy one would ever meet and certainly attempted to
provide this guy with information, website, and suggestion.  He was never
rude once.  Unbelievable.

73s,
Eric KF4OTN


> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of A.J. 
> Farmer (AJ3U)
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 15:56
> To: 'TAPR APRS Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> 
> 
> >UNTIL I started to see people running W2-2,W2-2,W2-2.
> 
> That begs the question, is that path intentional or do they
> just not know any better?  Either they are totally confused 
> with the changes or they are trying to purposefully cause problems.
> 
> Either way, this seems like a case of some bad apples in the
> bunch and should not represent the majority of APRS users.  
> Have you made any contact with these people?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
> On Behalf Of Christensen, Eric
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:38 PM
> To: David Odom; TAPR APRS Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> 
> Dave,
> If everyone out there was as curious and you and your son,
> then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.  I 
> agree that RELAY,W2-2 is an excellent path for everywhere 
> (except maybe Los Angeles).  I would support digipeaters 
> utilizing a W2-2 in their UIDIGI to support one hop UNTIL I 
> started to see people running W2-2,W2-2,W2-2.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what kind of tracker do you use?
> 
> 73s,
> Eric KF4OTN
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org 
> > [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of David Odom
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 15:30
> > To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [aprssig] Bob, Address the WIDE7-6 Possibility
> > 
> > 
> > Eric,
> > 
> > I follow the Sig but say very little.  I disagree with you on this 
> > thread and feel I should speak up for those of us who travel a lot.
> > I am not a 
> > trucker but my son, KG4RIP and I travel a lot using APRS to 
> keep our
> > families informed.  In the past 2 years I have been in 27
> > different states 
> > on two trips.  It makes no sense to us,  who cross a state in 
> > 2 hours, and 
> > maybe cross 3 or 4 in a day, to not provide a universal path 
> > for travelers. 
> > I used relay,w2-2 on my entire 27 state trip and was posted 
> > on FindU when in 
> > range of a digi.  There were some gaps for sure I10 in parts 
> > of Texas and 
> > I80 through Nebraska don't have much digi coverage but it 
> > enough to give my 
> > family a rough estimate where I am and that I am ok.
> > 
> > I believe we will lose a lot of the utility and interest in APRS if 
> > we abandon the ability of travelers to us a single universal
> > path.  Especially 
> > those of us who travel a lot without copilots to operate the radios.
> > 
> > Dave
> > W4VOR
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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