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[aprssig] More digis are changing to the new paradigm

n2lbt at spamcop.net n2lbt at spamcop.net
Mon Jul 4 21:31:22 UTC 2005

I don't think the new paradigm recommends a specific amount of hops.  
Nor prevents anyone from using long directed paths. If you think you  
can break the laws of physics, and reliably communicate over 5 hops  
go for it. Now one will stop you, unless your packets are interfering  
with other areas as has been reported here in the past. In which case  
they have the option to just budlist you at which point you can't get  
any further anyway.

Dennis Hudson, N2LBT
Albany, NY

On Jul 4, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Earl Needham wrote:

> At 02:55 PM 7/4/2005, Eric Christensen wrote:
>> You can't expect to see people on your screen nation-wide.  There
>> isn't enough bandwidth available on a 1200 baud to do that.  Just
>> because you want to see people that are 4 hops away doesn't mean they
>> should change their paths as they would probably be adding to a
>> sensitive network that is near them.
>> Eric
>         Suggest you stand back and look at the big picture of what  
> I've been trying to say for several years now.  The world is  
> different everywhere you go -- you have 50 stations within about 66  
> miles, I have 50 stations within 96 miles. (See 
> cgi-bin/near.cgi?call=KF4OTN and 
> near.cgi?call=Kd5xb-2 )
>         Except I only see a fraction of them because you have to  
> use a longer path that WIDE2-2 to get that far.
>         And Bob -- who legitimately has a problem with congestion  
> -- has 50 stations within only 13 miles.  The whole "New N-n  
> Paradigm" was to try a fix a problem that BOB is having, not me,  
> and probably not you.  I seriously doubt this type of congestion  
> occurs outside of big cities.
>         If you read my message again, you may notice that I never  
> said I want to see stations nation-wide.
>         It would be really interesting if a few people from the  
> east coast would come set up their stations in, say, Hereford,  
> Texas, and see just how congested the system ISN'T.  We don't need  
> these fixes out here because the system isn't congested out here.
>         Try walking a mile in MY shoes...
>         Earl

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