[aprssig] Understanding IGATE

Jeremy Bair k2orx at ungulate.net
Thu Jun 16 04:45:34 CDT 2005

Thanks for your reply.

I have found these options available in UI-View32 but found it strange that 
APRS-IS does not coordinate IGATEs in a switching configuration to best 
route messages, I would love to hear the reasons why variable paths are 
defeating one day when you have the time.

I assume I was using APRS-IS correctly as I was able to pass messages to RF 
in other locations and my packets could easily be found on findu.com. 
Although RF could reach an IGATE, I believe they were going through more 
digipeaters than what that IGATE was configured to pass messages through.

Perhaps the area is absent of IGATE coverage, or maybe a local IGATE was 
down, either way it was kind of dissapointing to not be able to do what we 
though would work :)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AE5PL Lists" <HamLists at ametx.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Understanding IGATE

IGate software (comes in a variety of clients and servers) gates to RF
messages addressed to stations "recently" heard on RF within a specified
"distance".  "Recently" is normally 30 minutes to an hour but some
software allows this to be configured by the sysop.  "Distance" may be
within X digipeater hops or within X miles (although this latter is
discouraged due to the reliance on the message addressee station having
transmitted a posit and the IGate having successfully decoded that
posit).  X may be configured via the sysop or may be fixed in some

No, the IGates do not use variable paths.  It would take me very little
effort to show a multitude of circumstances where automated path
variation algorithms would quickly become self defeating.  I'll just
leave it at "consider variable propagation and variable digipeater

If you were not getting messages through to stations on RF, there could
be two reasons: the stations on RF were not within the coverage area of
an IGate (as defined above) or you were using an unverified connection
into APRS-IS.  APRS-IS servers and IGates will not pass messages
originated from Internet-connected software if that software did not
connect with a verified login.  Different software authors use different
methods for generating a verified login, but normally the software must
be registered with the author(s) using your callsign.  Verified logins
were put in place so IGates could identify packets that might not be
originated by amateurs thereby giving the IGates a method to prevent
those packets from being gated to RF.

Hope this clears things up.


Pete Loveall AE5PL
mailto:pete at ae5pl.net

From: Jeremy Bair
Posted At: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:54 PM
Subject: [aprssig] Understanding IGATE

        I was not able to send a message to anyone on RF, but I
was able to receive without a problem. They were able to reach an IGATE
as their location was on findu, but as far as I can tell, they did not
reach an IGATE directly and went through several digipeaters. We
attempted to set up a local IGATE, but there must have been a
misconfiguration in the IGATE setup because it did not work.

        Are IGATEs able to gate messages to RF to stations heard
over a digipeater? If so, Is there any intelligence to IGATEs so that
the messages are transmitted following the minimum path possible and
choosing the best possible IGATE to limit the number of transmissions?

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