[aprssig] N1547C tracker

Ken Brown W2KB at comcast.net
Thu Oct 20 20:09:24 CDT 2005

The FCC staffer was wrong.  Use of cellphones in aircraft is permitted
*only* when the aircraft is on the ground.  I have an adapter for my
aviation headset so I can call FSS or ATC from my Cessna Cardinal on the
ground.  I have to shut off the phone prior to takeoff.

See: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/cellular/operations/aircraft.html

Which reads in pertinent part as follows:

Aircraft Usage 
Section 22.925 of the Commission's rules, 47 CFR Part 22, provides that
cellular telephones installed in, or carried aboard airplanes, balloons, or
any other type of aircraft, must not be operated while the aircraft is off
the ground. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular
telephone installed in any aircraft: "The use of cellular telephones while
this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of
this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of
cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA

73,  ---Ken W2KB ARRL VC NJ N16019

-----Original Message-----
From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
On Behalf Of Ray McKnight
Sent: October 20, 2005 19:05
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [aprssig] N1547C tracker

The link you provided has absolutely *nothing*
to do with private aviation!  It is entirely within
the context of commercial passenger airlines,
which are operating under IFR rules.  On a private
plane, under VFR rules, and below the FCC's
limit (and I don't recall if its 3,500 or 3,000 ft),
you can use a cell phone.  I was specifically informed
of this directly from a supervisor at FCC HQ in Washington.
It's irrelavant to APRS so I'm not going to waste time
trying to track down a regulatory cite for you.  You can't
take regulations out of context, it just doesn't work.  I'd
suggest you call your local FSS and talk to a pilot.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John K9IJ" <k9ij at vx5.com>
To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 15:46
Subject: Re: [aprssig] N1547C tracker

> At 05:41 PM 10/20/2005, you wrote:
> >Actually, cells phones *can* be used on aircraft in flight.
> >They are specifically permitted at altitudes under 3,500
> >(or was it 3,000?) ft.  You're confusing airline regulations
> >with FAA and FCC regs.  The airlines, operating under IFR
> >rules, can restrict whatever they deem potentially dangerous,
> >regardless of whether it may be permitted by other regs.  And
> >they all do prohibit cell phones.  It has a lot to do also with
> >potential lost revenues from their own installed seat back phones.
> Not true...
> http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/cellonplanes.html

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