Fwd: Re: [aprssig] Lets Fix New-N now!

keith allen ag4ac at earthlink.net
Tue Oct 25 10:38:34 CDT 2005

		Everyone was assuming the NM in my below signature stands for New Mexico,
it doesn't.  I'm in Alabama.  The NM stands for Net Manager.  (I saved
space for the sake of my signature block).   Alabama has lots of hills with
lots of low dead spots in between.  :-)    73.

F. Keith Allen,  AG4AC
President, CCERC
NM, St Clair ARES Nets
My cellphone is a HAM Radio.You want to talk to me, GET A LICENSE!

> [Original Message]
> From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Date: 10/21/2005 10:07:01 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [aprssig] Lets Fix New-N now!
> > Part of the problem stems from folks...[who] have to
> > settle for older tnc's that only will support relay 
> > and/or wide....and... NO uitrace support.  ....
> > until you can readily purchase tnc's with full APRS 
> > support at HAMFESTS ...for say...10-35 dollars, 
> > this situation will continue to exist.
> I dont understand.  No one needs a "full APRS" TNC
> except someone who is going to put up a permanent
> full-time digi with very wide area coverage.  In fact,
> "users" dont even need a TNC now with AGWPE
> and the client software out there now.
> > In this area, there is maybe 10 stns showing up 
> > [on] a 32 mile screen.  As a result, I find that 
> > most digis in that range do NOT support the n-n system...
> In a 32 mile area with only 10 users, all you need is
> one digi.  Surely one person in that area can find 
> a new TNC.  It only takes one to put up a fully
> functional modern APRS Digipeater, or ask somone
> to burn a $5 ROM to use any old TNC...
> > I use [the path of]
> > RELAY,WIDE,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2.  Any less and
> > I make it to an Igate less than 50% of the time. 
> That may be a big part of the problem.  There are 
> all kinds of problems with that path.  No wonder
> you are not getting out.
> 1) RELAY and WIDE are obsolete and not supported
>     anywhere else in your state (I think)
> 2) Even if you have a local RELAY, the next WIDE 
>     in that path which should get into the rest of
>     that excellent New Mexico system is obsolete 
>     and that is why your statoin is being ignored.
> 3) That path violates the rule of "no WIDE1-1
>     anywhere except the first hop
> 4) That path is 5 hops long and is probablly not
>     welcome in the surrounding states.
> > Until the n-n system becomes the standard and 
> > not the exception, it makes no sense to change 
> > my paths.
> Sorry, but somthing like 86% of all digis in the
> world support WIDEn-N.  So it pretty much is 
> the standard and it is only in your own best
> interest to get on-board.
> Maybe we have confused people by all this discussion
> here on the SIG about all the TNC's and New-N
> fixes, but make sure that all users know that
> this is for stand-alone DIGIpeaters only.  Users can 
> use ANY TNC with APRS... anywhere...
> de Wb4APR, Bob
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