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[aprssig] [WOTADB] Frequency Reporting by APRS too

Robert Bruninga bruninga at usna.edu
Sun Apr 9 00:06:21 UTC 2006

Great idea Wes!

>>> wes at kd4rdb.com 04/08/06 2:41 PM >>>
>...skywarn spotters to use tiny traks on their voice rigs 
>so that their positons can be sent out via mic-e on the 
>local repeaters.... [if the CALLSIGN of the TNC on the
>Voice repeater is the FREQ of the voice repeater, then
>it will do callsign substitution and the packet will arrive
>with the Frequency in the packet!  Notice, the user
> does not have to do anything!

>is ... the 2nd hop call substitution will overwrite the 
>frequency name that the repeater's TNC put in, right?

No.  Not under the new-N paradigm.  Remember that
all DIGIS, once the packet gets to 144.39 should
have WIDEn-N in the UITRACE parameter so that the
full path remains intact and arrives with the actual
packet taken!

Good idea.... I love it.  Bob

Wes continued...

Anyway for the time being, they have a pretty neat setup at the NWS CAE. 
They have three 2m rigs each hooked to a speaker and a line input on the PC 
sound cards.  (Yes, there are two sound cards in the PC).  This lets them 
talk to a local repeater, a repeater to the west and a repeater to the 
east... all the while listening for mic-e packets on all three.  We're 
running AGWPE on both sound cards giving us 4 channels of audio to decode 
packets from.  They are also running a d700 in packet mode hooked to AGWPE 
in kiss mode.  Xastir is the aprs program that ties it all together, 
including radar overlays from the ridge radar server.

I guess the point of this email is to say that Bob is right on the money.... 
people using aprs data want to know what frequency they can use to talk to 
all the pretty cars on the map.

I think James Jefferson (of aprsworld ) wrote a pic program that would 
figure out what frequency the d700 radio was on and alter the beacon text 
automatically.  It's a shame the tiny tracks and open trackers don't have a 
way to change the comment fields in the field... as it stands each of the 
devices only has two modes, therefore two shots at a beacon text.  I suppose 
you could programm mode one to say the most popular repeater in your area 
and mode to to say the other repeater you are normally on... but they we 
have to remember to switch modes when we QSY.... bad / incorrect information 
is worse than no info.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
To: <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: [aprssig] [WOTADB] Frequency Reporting by APRS too

There is a move afoot by the ARRL to make it
easiler to locate Hams' operating frequencies
so they can easily be contacted.  One effort,
called WOTA for "who is on the air" is tied into
logging programs.

But, of course, APRS already has a global system,
so all we have to do is to include our operating
frequency in our packets if we are actively monitoring
a voice freq.

In the past, Frequency  has not been particularly
highlighted, but it is very important and useful for
most mobiles because they usually have a live operator
present and usually he is monitoring his favorite
repeater.   We just need to be consistent in how
we report it.

This way, not only can you click on the APRS FINDU
web page to see where someone is while mobile
(live), you can also see what his voice operating
frequency is too.  In the future we hope to solidify
this construct so that it can easily be parsed in the
FIND data base too.

For example, see:   http://map.findu.com/we4apr-9

You will notice my beacon contains the text:

     "147.075MHz & VoiceAlert 14439"

The 147.075 is the local repeater I always monitor,
but the "VoiceAlert 14439" is always guaranteed
to work, since the APRS side of the radio is always
there and the volume is always up (though squelched
by CTCSS-100).  But he can always be contacted
if within simplex range.

I would like to encourage all APRS mobile operators
that  do consistently monitor a particular frrequency
to please include it in your packet and in the standard
format above so we can build a parsing system to take
full advantage of it.

The format is

FFF.FFFMHz....remainder of position comment text

Notice that this is exactly 10 spaces which is also
perfectly matches the 10 character wide window
on the front panel of the D7 and D700 radios,
making it a pleasent display of someone else's
operating frequency when it comes in.

Notice how my beacon is also carefully crafted
to show the Voice Alert info also.  Here is how it
flashes on the D700 panel on recepit:


On the D7 display only the first two
lines are displayed:


Anyway, I would like to encourage everyone to
begin using this format.  If we can standardize
on it, then maybe we can get future radios,
and HAMhuds and other display devices to not
only display this info, but to automatically insert
it into our packets whenever we change the radio

Someone even wrote a little PIC device to hang
on the D700 serial port to query the radio's
frequency and then to write it into the radio's
transmitted beacons.  This way, the person's
operating freuqency was always known, even if
he QSY'ed.

For more info on this, please see:


de Wb4APR, Bob

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