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[aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm

Cap Pennell cap at cruzio.com
Wed Sep 20 15:28:11 UTC 2006


While certainly not wanting to cram anything down anybody's throat, I'd
suggest dropping support for any "EU Paradigm" and instead only holding out
the more efficient North American system as a potential international model
too.  The Newn-N system is better here in North America now and can help in
Europe or elsewhere too as their networks grow.  I don't think any useful
purpose is served by encouraging conflicting non-interoperable "regional"
paradigms.  It's a small world after all.
One good thing about the North American Newn-N Paradigm is that we've
already seen it can be slowly (and quite painlessly) "grown" from earlier,
less efficient, systems (and aliases).

The international http://info.aprs.net already shows Ireland is supporting
the more modern digipath system.  Over time, others will too because it
better avoids "reduced throughput".
73, Cap KE6AFE

P.S.  Why encourage forcing APRSers to change digipath settings just because
they've crossed a "border"?  It's already bad enough that some travelers
have to change _frequency_ to rejoin the VHF APRS network just because
they've flown across borders.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-view at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ui-view at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of Robert Bruninga
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 06:44 AM
> To: ui-view at yahoogroups.com; phil at g1lkj.org.uk
> Subject: [ui-view] New EU Paradigm
>
>
> > Bob Bruninga WA4APR has requested not to use WIDE
> > as a unproto address and all those who are in the
> > know have changed to TRACE in the UK.
>
> As APRS moves forward, we do need to assure simplification and
> standardization of paths.  In the USA, the New-N Paradigm is to
> obsolete all of these, RELAY, WIDE, TRACE and TRACEn-N, and make
> WIDEn-N the only universal path (replaces TRACEn-N so it is
> FULLY traceable).  Fill-In Digis would use WIDE1-1.
>
> Since Europe seemed to not have the RELAY dupe problem, the only
> way we seemd to have gotten consensus was to propose the New EU
> Paradigm which for Europe would suggest the universal path to be
> TRACEn-N.  And RELAY could be used for fill-in digis.
>
> As new devices enter the APRS market, it is important to get
> agreement that these are the standards so that Manufacturers can
> have consistent expectations and User education can be greatly
> simplified.
>
> There seems to me no more debate in the USA.  Are these
> standards acceptible to Europe?
>
> This is posted on the Uiview list, since most Europeans using
> APRS are on this list.  But please respond on the
> APRSSIG at lists.tapr.org where the discussion should take place.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob, WB4APR





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