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[aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm

Robert Bruninga bruninga at usna.edu
Thu Sep 21 01:23:28 UTC 2006


Wow, do I feel dumb...

I thought the final New-EU paradigm we eneded up with last time
was for TRACEn-N.  Boy was I surprised when I just checked and
found my New-EU-Paradigm WEB page was recommending WIDEn-N
eventually.  I'm floored.   I don't know what to say.  I'll just
butt out until the powers that be in Europe tell me which way
they want to go.

All I want is for there to be a common and consistent system in
Europe to simplify APRS for everyone.  But WIDE and TRACE (and
possibly RELAY are obsolete) and what ever they decide for an
n-N system, it must be traceable.

But if I was to kibitz, it would be WIDE1-1,WIDEn-N or the
easier way out is to use WIDE1-1,TRACEn-N and that way let their
system support BOTH, while also getting rid of the obsolete
RELAY, WIDE and TRACE paths while providing full traceability
AND the provision for WIDE1-1 to replace RELAY...  And then
encourge everyone to use TRACEn-N or WIDE1-1,TRACEn-N if they
need a supporting first hop.

Bob, WB4APR
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org 
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:20 PM
> To: 'Cap Pennell'; 'TAPR APRS Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm
> 
> For Europe:
> > Well fine,  but then it wouldn't hurt to 
> > _start_ making WIDEn-N traceable too, and 
> > going forward encourage users to use WIDEn-N.  
> > And that way eventually (painlessly) phase out 
> > TRACEn-N and RELAY as in North America...
> 
> | Ah, but that is the -big- problem and why there
> | are no easy answers.  Most digipeaters in
> | Europe are just UIview and Uiview just like
> | the KPC3 over here, only traces on one callsign
> | So there is no easy transition.
> |
> | Let me make it clear why I have accepted the
> | compromised solution:
> |
> | 1) In the USA, all it takes is changing the DIGIS,
> | and ALL THE DIGIS had to be changed anyway... So
> | it was easy to swap WIDEn-N in place of TRACEn-N
> | in all digis.  And many DIGI systems are owned
> | operated by a few sysops.
> |
> | 2) In Europe, there are few central HIGH digis.
> | Most digis are just HOME stations.  Thus, to replace
> | TRACEn-N in every such home station Uiview with
> | WIDEn-N traceability simply would never happen.
> | Just like moving a mountain.
> |
> | So I agree, it would be nice if they all changed,
> | but I realized it simply would never happen, so
> | it is better for APRS to WORK well in Europe
> | *now* than to hope that everyone would change and
> | some day in the far distant future they would
> | all be WIDEn-N.
> |
> | Hope that helps.
> |Bob, WB4APR
> 
> > > | Actually Andy has an EXCELLENT point.  The Europeans
> > > | don't have to really do anything, leave their network
> > > | alone.  It supports TRACEn-N and WIDEn-N.  But they
> > > | should encourage everyone to use TRACEn-N since it is
> > > | traceable and WIDEn-N is not (over there).
> > > |
> > > | Then they can also phase out RELAY since WIDE1-1 also
> > > | works there....
> > >
> > > Bob, WB4APR
> 
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