[aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm

Andrzej AB9FX ab9fx at aprs.pl
Thu Sep 21 02:09:32 CDT 2006

I would opt for US standards in EU, i.e. WIDEn-n, SSn-n and just WIDE1-1 for 
fill up digis. Main reason is to keep some standards for all kinds of APRS 
software and hardware. With such universal standards is much more clear how 
to setup station.
In Poland we use WIDEn-n (traceable), SPn-n and still RELAY because of 
compatibility with neighbor countries, but we are ready to switch RELAY to 
WIDE1-1 any time.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba at jpharo.net>
To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 00:48
Subject: Re: [aprssig] RE: New EU Paradigm

> "Andrzej AB9FX" <ab9fx at aprs.pl>, Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:08:20 -0500:
>>According to http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs/new-eu-paradigm.txt
>>only difference in Europe is old RELAY not the new WIDE1-1 like in the US.
>>WIDEn-n and SSn-n work the same way in the new EU Paradigm like in the US.
>>So, what is the problem when crossing borders? You can use in your mobile
>>RELAY,WIDE2-2 and go through whole continent.
> Sorry, no, you can't.
> Your RELAY packet might not be processed by any digi in some areas,
> because the sysops in that part of (somewhere) have set WIDEn-N and
> SSn-N only, no ALIAS of RELAY.
> Some sysops have decided that we don't care that the neighbourhood (on
> the same or the other side of an international border) are supporting
> RELAY (maybe also WIDE1-1) as fill-ins, and that visitors coming by
> car, crossing international borders without any delaying stops (unlike
> at the US/CAN border), don't change their settings while driving.
> I don't know how things are in SP, but I know that TF and some western
> parts of LA are using the new north american system, the rest of LA
> and probably SM and OH, and probably most of continental Europe, are
> accepting both TRACEn-N and WIDEn-N, and RELAY, but OZ sysops are
> insisting that any WIDE packet isn't retransmitted (i.e.
> RELAY,TRACEn-N or TRACEn-N only).
> This is in my humble opinion a matter for IARU region 1.
> -- 
> 73 de Jan, LA2BBA
> Hvaler, Norway
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