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[aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??

Danny Messano danny at messano.net
Thu Apr 19 21:08:53 UTC 2007

Armchair Lawyer Time!
97.113 (a)(3) Communications in which the station licensee or control
operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an
employer. Amateur operators may, however, notify other amateur operators of
the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an amateur
station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis;
Sounds to me like since a Hamfest is an event, you could slide by. The
phrase "on a regular basis" stands out here.
A Ham Radio store is a full time, brick and mortar operation, and thus any
advertising of that store would be prohibited.
I would also say that since, as previously mentioned, these are employees of
HRO, you don't even get past the first sentence.


From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
On Behalf Of Thomas t
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:58 PM
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??

Although I think that report has crossed the line, I would not want to see
ham radio stores or hamfests scared away from reporting their positions.  
Even though I guess someone could call a simple position report of a store
(without text) a commercial message, I would like to see simple position
reports of stores/hamfests without an ad like message continue.  
Now I think we have two questions....
1. What can a commercial entity/hamfest report, ie. can it post a telephone
number or operating hours?  How about a general description of what they
2. Aren't the digipeater/igate operators technically liable for reporting an
inappropriate message like spam (a commercial message)?
I think someone well known and respected in APRS (nuge nuge WB4APR) should
post a general guideline for hamstores/hamfests...until then  I think it
might be unfair to get overly upset with HRO, because the exact location of
that line between a public service position report and a position report
that crosses the line can sometimes be hard to determine.  If a position
report is ok, why not a list of hours or a tel number so that the position
report is useful?  Well if you have all that info, dont users still need to
know what the store carries in general to know if the store can meet their
The sooner we have generally accepted written guidelines the better.  There
are plenty of stores/hamfests out in the world, do we wait for each to
accidentally cross the line or can we at least give people selling things
(stores & hamfests) a generally accepted set of guidelines to help show them
the way?  

"Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2 at aol.com> wrote:

I just happened to see this message while monitoring raw packets on 
144.39 in Southern California recently

W6HRO>APU25N,W6SCE-10*,qAS,K6KOZ:=3350.70N\11756.53WhHam Radio Outlet 
Anaheim {UIV32N}


Is this really appropriate content for non-commercial amateur radio 


Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
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