[aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??

'Scott Miller' scott at opentrac.org
Thu Apr 19 16:23:39 CDT 2007

As I mentioned in the CA-APRS list, my problem with this particular bulletin
is that it appears to come from the store itself - there's no indication in
the status text that it's posted by a club - and unlike 'for sale' listings
on your weekly net, this is advertising items *from the store*, not from a
club or an individual.  Even if it is a club responsible for posting the
message, they're not advertising that the club has equipment - they're
saying that the store has it, and if that doesn't count as a commercial
advertisement, I don't know what does.
I'm not one to encourage blind adherence to the absolute letter of the law
to the exclusion of a bit of common sense (we've got enough armchair lawyers
around here already who would rather fight over interpretations of
oddly-worded, vaguely applicable regulations than do something productive
with the hobby) but this case would seem to fail the most basic test of
whether it appears to be consistent with the non-commercial spirit of
amateur radio.


From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
On Behalf Of Thomas t
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:58 PM
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Is this APRS Spamming ??

Although I think that report has crossed the line, I would not want to see
ham radio stores or hamfests scared away from reporting their positions.  
Even though I guess someone could call a simple position report of a store
(without text) a commercial message, I would like to see simple position
reports of stores/hamfests without an ad like message continue.  
Now I think we have two questions....
1. What can a commercial entity/hamfest report, ie. can it post a telephone
number or operating hours?  How about a general description of what they
2. Aren't the digipeater/igate operators technically liable for reporting an
inappropriate message like spam (a commercial message)?
I think someone well known and respected in APRS (nuge nuge WB4APR) should
post a general guideline for hamstores/hamfests...until then  I think it
might be unfair to get overly upset with HRO, because the exact location of
that line between a public service position report and a position report
that crosses the line can sometimes be hard to determine.  If a position
report is ok, why not a list of hours or a tel number so that the position
report is useful?  Well if you have all that info, dont users still need to
know what the store carries in general to know if the store can meet their
The sooner we have generally accepted written guidelines the better.  There
are plenty of stores/hamfests out in the world, do we wait for each to
accidentally cross the line or can we at least give people selling things
(stores & hamfests) a generally accepted set of guidelines to help show them
the way?  

"Stephen H. Smith" <wa8lmf2 at aol.com> wrote:

I just happened to see this message while monitoring raw packets on 
144.39 in Southern California recently

W6HRO>APU25N,W6SCE-10*,qAS,K6KOZ:=3350.70N\11756.53WhHam Radio Outlet 
Anaheim {UIV32N}


Is this really appropriate content for non-commercial amateur radio 


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