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Philip Koban pek53 at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 8 18:17:59 UTC 2007


Hello  All,
I am new to this group and I am a fairly new to Amateur Radio and APRS I was wondering if anybody can help me connect a Palm OS APRS 
software to a Kenwood HT-D7AG and a Garmin eMap I am having problems figuring out how to wire it all together .
I have a Palm Treo 650 I found this picture  and this Operator I can't find  Michael Musick N0QBF to ask him how he did his Can Anybody Help me Please 
  Sincerely,
 Philip Koban  K0BAN

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: USB Software Update (Robert Kirk)
   2. Re: USB Software Update (Ben Jackson)
   3. Need GPS for D700 (Chris Bouck)
   4. Re: Need GPS for D700 (John Habbinga)
   5. Re: Need GPS for D700 (Stephen Brown Jr)
   6. Re: Need GPS for D700 (Amir Findling)
   7. Re: Need GPS for D700 (Wes Johnston, AI4PX)
   8. Re: Need GPS for D700 (Jan T. Pharo)
   9. Firmware upgrade for KPC 9612 (John Habbinga)
  10. RE: Need GPS for D700 (Ed Empey)
  11. RE: European Digipeating standards (Arno Verhoeven (PE1ICQ))
  12. APRS new-N Statistics  (Robert Bruninga)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:31:21 -0500
From: Robert Kirk <isobar at bcpl.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] USB Software Update
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070207132808.00d61538 at mail.bcpl.net>
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At 09:18 PM 2/6/2007, Ben Jackson wrote:
>[...] For $20 more you can get that same chip AND a GPS:
>http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=UT-41&cat=GPS [...]

It's not clear from the picture or specs:

1. Is the GPS a mag mount or loose?

2. What is the power source? Cig lighter? bare wires? powered thru USB?

Bob Kirk
N3OZB






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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:19:39 -0800
From: Ben Jackson <ben at ben.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] USB Software Update
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Message-ID: <20070207221939.GA12873 at saturn.home.ben.com>
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On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 01:31:21PM -0500, Robert Kirk wrote:
> At 09:18 PM 2/6/2007, Ben Jackson wrote:
> >[...] For $20 more you can get that same chip AND a GPS:
> >http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=UT-41&cat=GPS [...]
> 
> 1. Is the GPS a mag mount or loose?

It has little rubber feet and a fairly powerful magnet glued into the
plastic base.  (mine is a slightly older case style, but I believe it
is still the same)

> 2. What is the power source? Cig lighter? bare wires? powered thru USB?

Powered through USB.  I know it sound too good to be true, but it really
is a fully functional $33 GPS mouse!

-- 
Ben Jackson AD7GD
<ben at ben.com>
http://www.ben.com/



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:57:12 -0500
From: "Chris Bouck" <cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com>
Subject: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700
To: <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Message-ID: <200702072356.l17NuDKm007354 at ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
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   Ok folks - I hope I don't get flamed for this. The question has probably
been asked many times before. 

   I just purchased a D700 and love it. Now I want to connect a GPS unit to
show my position. I called the local candy store about a Garmin eTrex. I
thought it might be a good start. The guy said it won't work with the D700?
I know a couple of other guys that are using them. However, maybe they are
older units? I'm not sure?

   Does anyone have any ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. If you
do not want to tie up the reflector - please e-mail me directly:
cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com

Thanks & 73

Christopher L. Bouck, KB4CMF
Past President, Ft Herkimer Amateur Radio Association, Inc.
Treasurer FHARA
Assistant Emergency Coordinator for Operations (ARES)
Official Emergency Station

PO2 US Navy  / SFC US Army (Ret)
Director, Herkimer County Veterans' Service Agency
Accredited Representative for the American Legion, Vietnam Veterans of
America, and the VFW
            _\|/_
            (o o)
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:03:51 -0600
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700
To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
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The regular eTrex will work just fine.  Some of the higher-end eTrex models 
do not have a serial connection.  They have a USB connection.  They will 
probably not work.  I have the plain yellow eTrex and it works fine with my 
TH-D7A(G).  It should also work with the D700.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Chris Bouck
   Ok folks - I hope I don't get flamed for this. The question has probably 
been asked many times before.
   I just purchased a D700 and love it. Now I want to connect a GPS unit to 
show my position. I called the local candy store about a Garmin eTrex. I 
thought it might be a good start. The guy said it won't work with the D700? 
I know a couple of other guys that are using them. However, maybe they are 
older units? I'm not sure?
   Does anyone have any ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. If you 
do not want to tie up the reflector - please e-mail me directly: 
cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com
Thanks & 73




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:16:42 -0500
From: "Stephen Brown Jr" <stephen.brown75 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700
To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
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Ditto for me as well, I am also running a Garmin etrex on my D7 and it works
great. I would be willing to bet any GPS that is capable of outputting raw
NMEA data in serial format would work, but not sure.

73's
Stephen
N1VLV


On 2/7/07, John Habbinga <kc5zrq at gmail.com> wrote:
> The regular eTrex will work just fine.  Some of the higher-end eTrex
models
> do not have a serial connection.  They have a USB connection.  They will
> probably not work.  I have the plain yellow eTrex and it works fine with
my
> TH-D7A(G).  It should also work with the D700.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Bouck
>    Ok folks - I hope I don't get flamed for this. The question has
probably
> been asked many times before.
>    I just purchased a D700 and love it. Now I want to connect a GPS unit
to
> show my position. I called the local candy store about a Garmin eTrex. I
> thought it might be a good start. The guy said it won't work with the
D700?
> I know a couple of other guys that are using them. However, maybe they are
> older units? I'm not sure?
>    Does anyone have any ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. If
you
> do not want to tie up the reflector - please e-mail me directly:
> cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com
> Thanks & 73
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:35:14 -0500
From: Amir Findling <sarlabs at twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Message-ID: <45CA7042.4060908 at twcny.rr.com>
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The GPS MUST have a serial connection.
The GPS MUST have at least NMEA out.

Seems simple. Well here are a few curve balls. I just connected a Garmin 
Foretrex to my TH-D7AG. The manual said it only has NMEA out. Wrong, it 
has NMEA in too as it does display the location of APRS stations.

I know the older eTrax units have a serial connection. OTOH, their 
receiver is quite weak and might not work well even on the dashboard of 
your vehicle.

Now I've heard a lot of good about the Garmin 18 PC (NOT the USB 
version). No display, mag mounted and has cigarette lighter power cord 
and serial cord.

Or get something more expensive like the Garmin 60Cx and let it do your 
road navigation too. This is a really superb unit, but if used for APRS 
only, this is quite an overkill.

73' de Amir K9CHP Member ARRL, AMSAT #36083
Cayuga County Highland SAR www.highlandsar.org <http://www.highlandsar.org/>
1st Special Response Group www.1srg.org <http://www.1srg.org>
Apprentice Tracker Joel Hardin Professional Tracking Services 
http://www.jhardin-inc.com







John Habbinga wrote:
> The regular eTrex will work just fine.  Some of the higher-end eTrex 
> models do not have a serial connection.  They have a USB connection.  
> They will probably not work.  I have the plain yellow eTrex and it 
> works fine with my TH-D7A(G).  It should also work with the D700.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Bouck
>   Ok folks - I hope I don't get flamed for this. The question has 
> probably been asked many times before.
>   I just purchased a D700 and love it. Now I want to connect a GPS 
> unit to show my position. I called the local candy store about a 
> Garmin eTrex. I thought it might be a good start. The guy said it 
> won't work with the D700? I know a couple of other guys that are using 
> them. However, maybe they are older units? I'm not sure?
>   Does anyone have any ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. If 
> you do not want to tie up the reflector - please e-mail me directly: 
> cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com
> Thanks & 73
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:14:16 -0500
From: "Wes Johnston, AI4PX" <wes at kd4rdb.com>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700
To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
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I'm using a gpsmap276c and despite a few firmware upgrade glitches, it works
great.  Garmin has come thru for me each time I've found a boo boo in the
unit.  It's hard to find a street mapping / auto routing unit that still has
a serial port... this one does.  Super fast screen redraws each time the
d700 sends serial data.

Wes


On 2/7/07, Chris Bouck <cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  *   Ok folks – I hope I don't get flamed for this. The question has
> probably been asked many times before. *
>
> *   I just purchased a D700 and love it. Now I want to connect a GPS unit
> to show my position. I called the local candy store about a Garmin eTrex. I
> thought it might be a good start. The guy said it won't work with the D700?
> I know a couple of other guys that are using them. However, maybe they are
> older units? I'm not sure?*
>
> *   Does anyone have any ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. If
> you do not want to tie up the reflector - please e-mail me directly:
> cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com*
>
> *Thanks & 73*
>
> Christopher L. Bouck, KB4CMF
> Past President, Ft Herkimer Amateur Radio Association, Inc.
> Treasurer FHARA
> Assistant Emergency Coordinator for Operations (ARES)
> Official Emergency Station
>
> PO2 US Navy  / SFC US Army (Ret)
> Director, Herkimer County Veterans' Service Agency
> Accredited Representative for the American Legion, Vietnam Veterans of
> America, and the VFW
>             _\|/_
>             (o o)
> -----o00-(_)-00o-------
>
>
>
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>


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:26:01 +0100
From: "Jan T. Pharo" <la2bba at jpharo.net>
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
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"Chris Bouck" <cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com>, Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:57:12 -0500:

>   I just purchased a D700 and love it. Now I want to connect a GPS 
>unit to show my position. I called the local candy store about a 
>Garmin eTrex. I thought it might be a good start. The guy said it 
>won?t work with the D700? I know a couple of other guys that are 
>using them. However, maybe they are older units? I?m not sure

Adding to what the others have said: I have been using an eTrex Vista
with the TH-D7 for quite a few years, now with a TM-D700. No trouble.
With NMEA out AND in (as in my eTrex), you'll also see stations
received by your TM-D700 as waypoints on the GPS display. 
I have previously been using GPSMAP76 and the older unit GPS45xl
occasionally in my car, all showing other fixed and moving APRS
stations as waypoints on the map (or the map-like screen on the 45).

-- 
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:31:36 -0600
From: "John Habbinga" <kc5zrq at gmail.com>
Subject: [aprssig] Firmware upgrade for KPC 9612
To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Message-ID: <005c01c74b4a$c9562e80$1300a8c0 at avid>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    reply-type=original

I have a friend who is in Indonesia.  He is a ham radio operator.  He and 
other hams are helping with relief efforts for the recent floods.  He needs 
to setup an APRS digipeater.  He has a Kantronics KPC 9612 (non-Plus 
version) with the original firmware.  He needs the updated firmware so that 
the TNC will work as a digipeater.

I know that at one time there were some members of this list that would burn 
an EEPROM for the KPC-3, with updated firmware, if they were sent a chip. 
If I get a chip, for a KPC-9612, is there someone on this list that I can 
send it to for upgrading?

John, KC5ZRQ 




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:34:06 -0800
From: "Ed Empey" <wa7eth at verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700
To: "'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
Message-ID: <006a01c74b4b$23104e10$0202a8c0 at LADYBUG1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I use my Garmin eTrex with my D700 and it works just fine.  No problems at
all.
Ed....WA7ETH 

-----Original Message-----
From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]
On Behalf Of Jan T. Pharo
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:26 PM
To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [aprssig] Need GPS for D700

"Chris Bouck" <cbouck01 at twcny.rr.com>, Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:57:12 -0500:

>   I just purchased a D700 and love it. Now I want to connect a GPS 
>unit to show my position. I called the local candy store about a Garmin 
>eTrex. I thought it might be a good start. The guy said it won?t work 
>with the D700? I know a couple of other guys that are using them. 
>However, maybe they are older units? I?m not sure

Adding to what the others have said: I have been using an eTrex Vista with
the TH-D7 for quite a few years, now with a TM-D700. No trouble.
With NMEA out AND in (as in my eTrex), you'll also see stations received by
your TM-D700 as waypoints on the GPS display. 
I have previously been using GPSMAP76 and the older unit GPS45xl
occasionally in my car, all showing other fixed and moving APRS stations as
waypoints on the map (or the map-like screen on the 45).

--
73 de Jan, LA2BBA
Hvaler, Norway

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:06:08 +0100
From: "Arno Verhoeven (PE1ICQ)" <pe1icq at sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl>
Subject: [aprssig] RE: European Digipeating standards
To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
Message-ID: <45CB4A70.1080203 at sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl>
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On 2007-02-07 18:59, aprssig-request at lists.tapr.org wrote:
> http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/New-Eu-map.GIF
>
> It is supposed to show what areas hav standardized on what
> paths..  Does it need upgrading?

The Netherlands is mostly Relay,WideN-n

-- 
73, PE1ICQ  Arno Verhoeven




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:18:05 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
Subject: [aprssig] APRS new-N Statistics 
To: "'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
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The New-N Paradigm Works!

Today's APRS stats in Maryland, 39N/76.5W at 80' HAAT:

* 241 total Heard RF-only at least once in last 24 hrs
*      66 fixed (1 +SA, 3 DOS, 8 WIN, 54 UI)
*      45 Digis (1 Trace, 3 Paccom, 4-L, 5-N, 32-S)
*      20 WX stations
*     104 Mobiles
*         85 D700
*          7 D7's
*          6 Mic-E trackers
*          3 trackers (other)
*          2 NMEA
*          1 Uiview mobile

Yet with 80' HAAT antenna, 144.39 is quiet typically 70 % of the
time (at 10 AM after rush hour).  Compared to before the New-N
Paradigm which was wall-to-wall packets.  With this much
quiet,reliability is up for local users.  The biggest load are 2
trackers that seem to be hitting near 90 packets per hour (using
smart beaconing, I think).

My RF-only range area appears to be about 120 miles but my ALOHA
circle is about 60 miles average, but shrinks to about 45 miles
during morning rush hour with many of the mobiles active.  In
that 45 mile ALOHA area (1030 AM), there were 115 total ACTIVE
stations, only 11 active mobiles, 11 digis, and 4 wx stations.

PATHS look pretty good too (New-N does work)!

1%  still trying to use RELAY (most won't get to me)
8%  still trying to use WIDE  (ditto)
13% using W3-3
71% using W2-2
22% using W1-1

These days, I mostly only monitor APRS while mobile with my
D700.  I see over 90% of the mobiles in this area are also able
to -see- APRS around them too with APRS displays.  That is why I
think it is so important to get those recommended travelers
voice repeater objects on the air, to serve those mobile
travelers.

See how: http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/localinfo.html

APRS is to serve mobiles and provide relevant local info to
travelers as well as provide comms.  During this same 24 hours I
saw only 3 user messages, some WX bulletins and some DX queries
and responses, but not much human interaction.  Maybe more
people need the D700 external Keyboard interface by W2FS to make
typing easier in the mobile (while stopped).  Voice-alert is
also a great hands-free means of communicating between mobiles.

For details on these subjects see:

Voice Alert: 
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/VoiceAlert.htm

D700 keyboard kit:
http://www.coastalchip.com/Kenkey.htm

New-N Paradigm to FIX 144.39 IN YOUR AREA:
http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/fix14439.html


Bob, WB4APR




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