[aprssig] Re: aprssig Digest, Vol 37, Issue 6

[Douglas Nicholson]

PLEASE DROP ME FROM ALL THE TAPR LISTS

THANKS !  Just to much email these days.

Douglas  KB6TWC

Douglas Nicholson


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>   1. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Tom Russo)
>   2. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Tom Russo)
>   3. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Eric H Christensen)
>   4. RE: APRS Wiki vandalism ('Scott Miller')
>   5. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (ka8vit at ka8vit.com)
>   6. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Tom Russo)
>   7. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Jason Winningham)
>   8. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Eric H Christensen)
>   9. RE: APRS Wiki vandalism ('Scott Miller')
>  10. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (ka8vit at ka8vit.com)
>  11. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Eric H Christensen)
>  12. RE: APRS Wiki vandalism (Andrew Rich)
>  13. RE: APRS Wiki vandalism (Andrew Rich)
>  14. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (KA8VIT)
>  15. Re: APRS Wiki vandalism (Tom Hayward)
>  16. APRS and "Live Free or Die Hard"... (Timothy J. Salo)
>  17. RE: APRS and "Live Free or Die Hard"... ('Scott Miller')
>  18. RE: KISS example (Ian ZL1VFO)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:26:31 -0600
> From: Tom Russo <russo at bogodyn.org>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <20070705172631.GA11603 at bogodyn.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron 
> collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>> > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>> > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>> > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>> >
>> > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have been the victim 
>> > of
>> > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>
> Today I discovered that just about every single page on the APRS wiki at
> info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all real content
> removed.
>
> I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to conclude that
> the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a more secure,
> less open version.
>
> Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops have to approve
> new users would be my change of choice.
>
> As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as it requires 
> manual
> clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that it will take
> a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges" page that makes
> clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>
> -- 
> Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux          http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1 
> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get 
> is
> one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
> oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:30:08 -0600
> From: Tom Russo <russo at bogodyn.org>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <20070705173008.GB11603 at bogodyn.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:26:31AM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron 
> collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron 
>> collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>> > > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>> > > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> > > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>> > > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>> > >
>> > > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have been the 
>> > > victim of
>> > > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>>
>> Today I discovered that just about every single page on the APRS wiki at
>> info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all real content
>> removed.
>>
>> I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to conclude that
>> the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a more secure,
>> less open version.
>>
>> Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops have to approve
>> new users would be my change of choice.
>>
>> As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as it requires 
>> manual
>> clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that it will 
>> take
>> a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges" page that 
>> makes
>> clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>
> It is very difficult to do some of this clean-up.  Some of the vandalism
> was done in so many individual edits (obviously scripted) that 
> WikkaWakkaWiki
> won't show me enough of the old versions to get back to a good one.
>
>
> -- 
> Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux          http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1 
> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get 
> is
> one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
> oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:34:18 -0400
> From: Eric H Christensen <eric at christensenplace.us>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: <russo at bogodyn.org>
> Message-ID: <28656745.48081183656858076.JavaMail.servlet at perfora>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> MediaWiki would definitely be the way to go.  I've used it in a number of 
> projects and is a fairly secure way to do business.
>
> 73s,
> Eric W4OTN
>
>
>>On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:26:31AM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron
>>collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>>> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron
>>collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>>> > > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>>> > > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>>> > > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>>> > > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>>> > >
>>> > > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have been the 
>>> > > victim
>>of
>>> > > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>>>
>>> Today I discovered that just about every single page on the APRS wiki at
>>> info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all real 
>>> content
>>> removed.
>>>
>>> I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to conclude that
>>> the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a more secure,
>>> less open version.
>>>
>>> Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops have to 
>>> approve
>>> new users would be my change of choice.
>>>
>>> As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as it requires
>>manual
>>> clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that it will 
>>> take
>>> a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges" page that 
>>> makes
>>> clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>>
>>It is very difficult to do some of this clean-up.  Some of the vandalism
>>was done in so many individual edits (obviously scripted) that 
>>WikkaWakkaWiki
>>won't show me enough of the old versions to get back to a good one.
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux          http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
>>Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1
>>http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
>>"And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get 
>>is
>> one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
>> oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>aprssig mailing list
>>aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>>https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:39:59 -0700
> From: "'Scott Miller'" <scott at opentrac.org>
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: "'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <05af01c7bf2b$919b1ff0$0300a8c0 at jupiter>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I agree, this software isn't working out and I'm regretting the choice. 
> I'd
> have installed MediaWiki already if I had the time to do it.  If you (or
> anyone else) wants to volunteer to set it up and start migrating content,
> let me know and I'll set you up with an account on the server.  It's a
> Windows 2003 server running IIS, with PHP and MySQL installed.
>
> I'll see if I have a recent database backup for the wiki that might speed 
> up
> the recovery process.  If not, some of that might have to come from 
> Google's
> cache.
>
> Scott
> N1VG
>
>> Today I discovered that just about every single page on the
>> APRS wiki at
>> info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all
>> real content
>> removed.
>>
>> I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to
>> conclude that
>> the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a
>> more secure,
>> less open version.
>>
>> Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops
>> have to approve
>> new users would be my change of choice.
>>
>> As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as
>> it requires manual
>> clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that
>> it will take
>> a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges"
>> page that makes
>> clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>>
>> -- 
>> Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux
>> http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
>> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1
>> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
>> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I
>> mean all you get is
>>  one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and
>> crazy, oooh, oooh,
>>  oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> aprssig mailing list
>> aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:57:15 -0400
> From: ka8vit at ka8vit.com
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: <russo at bogodyn.org>
> Message-ID: <20336972.50051183658235792.JavaMail.servlet at perfora>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Another reason NOT to use a Wiki to post information
> or look for it.
>
> 73
>
> Bill KA8VIT
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron
> collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>> > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>> > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>> > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>> >
>> > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have been the victim 
>> > of
>> > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>
> Today I discovered that just about every single page on the APRS wiki at
> info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all real content
> removed.
>
> I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to conclude that
> the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a more secure,
> less open version.
>
> Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops have to approve
> new users would be my change of choice.
>
> As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as it requires
> manual
> clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that it will take
> a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges" page that makes
> clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>
> -
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:04:24 -0600
> From: Tom Russo <russo at bogodyn.org>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <20070705180424.GA11876 at bogodyn.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 10:39:59AM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron 
> collision of the <scott at opentrac.org> flavor, containing:
>> I agree, this software isn't working out and I'm regretting the choice. 
>> I'd
>> have installed MediaWiki already if I had the time to do it.  If you (or
>> anyone else) wants to volunteer to set it up and start migrating content,
>> let me know and I'll set you up with an account on the server.  It's a
>> Windows 2003 server running IIS, with PHP and MySQL installed.
>>
>> I'll see if I have a recent database backup for the wiki that might speed 
>> up
>> the recovery process.  If not, some of that might have to come from 
>> Google's
>> cache.
>
> I managed to restore everything.  Turns out that WikkaWakkaWiki does have
> some user preference settings that let you bump up the number of revisions
> that the history function produces, so I was able to rever everything.
>
> I'm sorry I don't really have time to help you manage a new wiki, though.
> I'll gladly help maintain it, but can't help set it up.
>
>> > Today I discovered that just about every single page on the
>> > APRS wiki at
>> > info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all
>> > real content
>> > removed.
>> >
>> > I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to
>> > conclude that
>> > the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a
>> > more secure,
>> > less open version.
>> >
>> > Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops
>> > have to approve
>> > new users would be my change of choice.
>> >
>> > As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as
>> > it requires manual
>> > clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that
>> > it will take
>> > a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges"
>> > page that makes
>> > clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux
>> > http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
>> > Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1
>> > http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
>> > "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I
>> > mean all you get is
>> >  one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and
>> > crazy, oooh, oooh,
>> >  oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > aprssig mailing list
>> > aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> > https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> aprssig mailing list
>> aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
>
> -- 
> Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux          http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1 
> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get 
> is
> one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
> oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:35:22 -0500
> From: Jason Winningham <jdw at eng.uah.edu>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <EE43169F-0D4E-48D5-8800-46C71FA558FD at eng.uah.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2007, at 12:57 PM, ka8vit at ka8vit.com wrote:
>
>> Another reason NOT to use a Wiki to post information
>> or look for it.
>
> No, just reinforcement that the rather idealistic "many eyes" wiki
> model that assumes a completely open wiki can work doesn't work out
> that well in many real-world instances.
>
> A wiki package with the right tools and right configuration is a very
> valuable, easy to use tool for collaborative documentation, and I
> think that's the only model that will result in a single go-to
> resource for APRS.  There are too many aspects of APRS for a single
> author web page to work, yet not enough to result in a commercial
> enterprise (like a book that gets updated with reasonable frequency).
>
> -Jason
> kg4wsv
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:57:04 -0400
> From: Eric H Christensen <eric at christensenplace.us>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: <russo at bogodyn.org>
> Message-ID: <18002684.60401183661824387.JavaMail.servlet at perfora>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Bill,
> Actually a wiki is a GREAT way to get the information out there to the 
> masses.  Not all of us have the time to do what Bob does with his web 
> pages (I'm still trying to catch up to him with documenting my ideas) but 
> we should all be able to help document APRS knowledge and one easy way to 
> do that is with a wiki.
>
> The problem is that not all wikis are the same.  Some have additional 
> security features in them that allow better control over the content. 
> MediaWiki is an excellent example of this.  Please don't just all wikis by 
> what we have seen with this one.
>
> 73s,
> Eric W4OTN
>
>
>>Another reason NOT to use a Wiki to post information
>>or look for it.
>>
>>73
>>
>>Bill KA8VIT
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron
>>collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>>> > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>>> > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>>> > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>>> > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>>> >
>>> > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have been the victim 
>>> > of
>>> > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>>
>>Today I discovered that just about every single page on the APRS wiki at
>>info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all real content
>>removed.
>>
>>I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to conclude that
>>the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a more secure,
>>less open version.
>>
>>Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops have to approve
>>new users would be my change of choice.
>>
>>As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as it requires
>>manual
>>clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that it will take
>>a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges" page that makes
>>clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>>
>>-
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>aprssig mailing list
>>aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>>https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:16:55 -0700
> From: "'Scott Miller'" <scott at opentrac.org>
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: "'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <05d401c7bf39$1c1e7e30$0300a8c0 at jupiter>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Wikis are great for factual information - radio pinouts, lists of GPS
> capabilities, and that sort of thing.  Things can get a little tricky when
> it's a more contentious subject, but they're still useful.  There's lots 
> of
> minor stuff that I don't get around to posting on my regular websites
> because of the time and effort involved to go and publish it.  A wiki 
> makes
> that a lot easier, and allows people who wouldn't otherwise be publishing
> content to contribute.
>
> Scott
> N1VG
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
>> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Eric H
>> Christensen
>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:57 AM
>> To: russo at bogodyn.org; aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>>
>> Bill,
>> Actually a wiki is a GREAT way to get the information out
>> there to the masses.  Not all of us have the time to do what
>> Bob does with his web pages (I'm still trying to catch up to
>> him with documenting my ideas) but we should all be able to
>> help document APRS knowledge and one easy way to do that is
>> with a wiki.
>>
>> The problem is that not all wikis are the same.  Some have
>> additional security features in them that allow better
>> control over the content.  MediaWiki is an excellent example
>> of this.  Please don't just all wikis by what we have seen
>> with this one.
>>
>> 73s,
>> Eric W4OTN
>>
>>
>> >Another reason NOT to use a Wiki to post information
>> >or look for it.
>> >
>> >73
>> >
>> >Bill KA8VIT
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a
>> bogon-computron
>> >collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>> >> > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>> >> > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> >> > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>> >> > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>> >> >
>> >> > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have
>> been the victim of
>> >> > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>> >
>> >Today I discovered that just about every single page on the
>> APRS wiki at
>> >info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all
>> real content
>> >removed.
>> >
>> >I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to
>> conclude that
>> >the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a
>> more secure,
>> >less open version.
>> >
>> >Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops
>> have to approve
>> >new users would be my change of choice.
>> >
>> >As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as
>> it requires
>> >manual
>> >clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe
>> that it will take
>> >a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges"
>> page that makes
>> >clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>> >
>> >-
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >aprssig mailing list
>> >aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> >https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> aprssig mailing list
>> aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:30:15 -0400
> From: ka8vit at ka8vit.com
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <30095172.65191183663815302.JavaMail.servlet at perfora>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I haven't seen *any* Wiki yet that hasn't been messed up
> by vandals or those just adding incorrect information.
>
> Most schools do not allow their use as a resource for just
> these very reasons.
>
> I understand the not having the time issue...  but it just
> reinforces my point.
>
> Keeping good information good...  takes time and effort.
>
> I don't have the answer...  I just know it's not a Wiki.
>
> I wish you good good luck.
>
> 73
>
> Bill  KA8VIT
>
>
> ============================================
> Bill,
> Actually a wiki is a GREAT way to get the information out there to the 
> masses.
> Not all of us have the time to do what Bob does with his web pages (I'm 
> still
> trying to catch up to him with documenting my ideas) but we should all be 
> able
> to help document APRS knowledge and one easy way to do that is with a 
> wiki.
>
> The problem is that not all wikis are the same.  Some have additional 
> security
> features in them that allow better control over the content.  MediaWiki is 
> an
> excellent example of this.  Please don't just all wikis by what we have 
> seen
> with this one.
>
> 73s,
> Eric W4OTN
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:38:10 -0400
> From: Eric H Christensen <eric at christensenplace.us>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <19566685.65751183664290777.JavaMail.servlet at perfora>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I have quite a few that haven't been messed with.  Again, it is all in how 
> you set them up.
>
> Most schools don't have the money or the knowledge on how to properly 
> secure any of their IT resources.  They also have certain federal laws 
> that they have to follow that usually deals with information access 
> restrictions.  I know of at least ten that are out in an educational 
> setting that have never been messed with and I know that the DoD uses 
> wikis as well.  It is all in the security of the system and of the 
> software.  Nothing is fool proof but there are ways to harden your system.
>
> By the way, you can attack a website just as easily if security 
> precautions aren't in place.  Just surf on over to the ISC and they will 
> show you a history of websites that get hacked on a regular basis.  It 
> isn't just wikis...
>
> 73s,
> Eric W4OTN
>
>
>>Hi Eric,
>>
>>I haven't seen *any* Wiki yet that hasn't been messed up
>>by vandals or those just adding incorrect information.
>>
>>Most schools do not allow their use as a resource for just
>>these very reasons.
>>
>>I understand the not having the time issue...  but it just
>>reinforces my point.
>>
>>Keeping good information good...  takes time and effort.
>>
>>I don't have the answer...  I just know it's not a Wiki.
>>
>>I wish you good good luck.
>>
>>73
>>
>>Bill  KA8VIT
>>
>>
>>============================================
>>Bill,
>>Actually a wiki is a GREAT way to get the information out there to the 
>>masses.
>>
>>Not all of us have the time to do what Bob does with his web pages (I'm 
>>still
>>
>>trying to catch up to him with documenting my ideas) but we should all be 
>>able
>>
>>to help document APRS knowledge and one easy way to do that is with a 
>>wiki.
>>
>>The problem is that not all wikis are the same.  Some have additional 
>>security
>>
>>features in them that allow better control over the content.  MediaWiki is 
>>an
>>
>>excellent example of this.  Please don't just all wikis by what we have 
>>seen
>>with this one.
>>
>>73s,
>>Eric W4OTN
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:18:17 +1000
> From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at people.net.au>
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: <russo at bogodyn.org>, "TAPR APRS Mailing List"
> <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <LGEKIKIAKJPNFGILGJBBMEGPDIAA.vk4tec at people.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
> Yep it gets so bad that I can't run a guest book anymore, theives hit that
> and use it for advertising.
>
> Even on ebay , ever time I sell an item, someone tries to sell me 
> something
> using the "ask a question"
>
> What a lovely world we live in.
>
> I got around it - PHP sessions, sign up, sign in or bugger off
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Tom Russo
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2007 3:27 AM
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>
>
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron
> collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>> > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>> > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>> > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>> >
>> > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have been the victim
> of
>> > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>
> Today I discovered that just about every single page on the APRS wiki at
> info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all real content
> removed.
>
> I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to conclude that
> the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a more secure,
> less open version.
>
> Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops have to approve
> new users would be my change of choice.
>
> As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as it requires
> manual
> clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that it will take
> a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges" page that makes
> clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>
> --
> Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux          http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1
> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get
> is
> one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
> oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:25:05 +1000
> From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at people.net.au>
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: <vk4tec at people.net.au>, "TAPR APRS Mailing List"
> <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>, <russo at bogodyn.org>
> Message-ID: <LGEKIKIAKJPNFGILGJBBIEHADIAA.vk4tec at people.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
> Another embarrasing situation I found myself in was that I has delete
> funtional links in a PHP table.
>
> A search engine bot came by and "tried" all of those delete links.
>
> Nice clean data base.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Rich
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2007 6:18 AM
> To: russo at bogodyn.org; TAPR APRS Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>
>
> Yep it gets so bad that I can't run a guest book anymore, theives hit that
> and use it for advertising.
>
> Even on ebay , ever time I sell an item, someone tries to sell me 
> something
> using the "ask a question"
>
> What a lovely world we live in.
>
> I got around it - PHP sessions, sign up, sign in or bugger off
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org]On Behalf Of Tom Russo
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2007 3:27 AM
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>
>
> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 05:29:40PM -0600, we recorded a bogon-computron
> collision of the <russo at bogodyn.org> flavor, containing:
>> > From: Tom Russo [mailto:russo at bogodyn.org]
>> > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> > Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:23:23 -0700
>> > Subject: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
>> >
>> > The APRS wiki at http://info.aprs.net/ appears to have been the victim
> of
>> > some hit-and-run script vandalism on 19 April 2007.
>
> Today I discovered that just about every single page on the APRS wiki at
> info.aprs.net was trashed --- all replaced by link spam, all real content
> removed.
>
> I am in the process of trying to restore it, but I have to conclude that
> the wiki is in a terrible way and needs to be replaced by a more secure,
> less open version.
>
> Migrating to MediaWiki and locking it down so that sysops have to approve
> new users would be my change of choice.
>
> As it is, the wiki has pretty much been rendered useless, as it requires
> manual
> clean up every few days.  Today's vandalism is so severe that it will take
> a long time to fix.  They even trashed the "RecentChanges" page that makes
> clean-up easier (I've restored it).
>
> --
> Tom Russo    KM5VY   SAR502   DM64ux          http://www.swcp.com/~russo/
> Tijeras, NM  QRPL#1592 K2#398  SOC#236 AHTB#1
> http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM
> "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get
> is
> one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh,
> oooh, the sky is the limit!"  --- The Tick
>
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:52:56 -0400
> From: KA8VIT <ka8vit at ka8vit.com>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <468D6838.7030703 at ka8vit.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I agree with you 300 %.
>
> 73
>
> Bill  KA8VIT
>
>
>
> Eric H Christensen wrote:
>> By the way, you can attack a website just as easily if security 
>> precautions aren't in place.  Just surf on over to the ISC and they will 
>> show you a history of websites that get hacked on a regular basis.  It 
>> isn't just wikis...
>>
>
> -- 
>
> Bill Chaikin, KA8VIT
> USS COD Amateur Radio Club - W8COD
> WW2 Submarine USS COD SS-224 (NECO)
>
> ka8vit at ka8vit.com
> http://ka8vit.com
> http://www.usscod.org
>
> QRP-L#: 2596
> FP#:    1043
> SKCC#:  2593
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:45:36 -0700
> From: "Tom Hayward" <tom at tomh.us>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Wiki vandalism
> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID:
> <c1f98a160707051945h281fe1d3yee936da9ee73110b at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I had that problem, but solved it by adding a CAPTCHA
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha). I wonder if this would work to
> secure the wiki from bots. I have the PHP scripts I wrote to do it, if
> someone wants them.
>
> Tom KD7LXL
>
> On 7/5/07, Andrew Rich <vk4tec at people.net.au> wrote:
>> Yep it gets so bad that I can't run a guest book anymore, theives hit 
>> that
>> and use it for advertising.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:28:47 -0500
> From: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo at saloits.com>
> Subject: [aprssig] APRS and "Live Free or Die Hard"...
> To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
> Message-ID: <468DC4FF.7020608 at saloits.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Am I the only person who watched "Live Free or Die Hard"
> and noticed a couple two-second shots of a "police radio"
> that looked more like a Kenwood rig tuned to 144.34 MHz?
>
> Perhaps, someone should complain to the FCC about unauthorized
> use of the ham bands by 20th Century Fox...
>
> -tjs
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:47:40 -0700
> From: "'Scott Miller'" <scott at opentrac.org>
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] APRS and "Live Free or Die Hard"...
> To: "'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" <aprssig at lists.tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <063401c7bf88$d7ecdb30$0300a8c0 at jupiter>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I seem to recall that the one set in the airport (that was a Die Hard,
> wasn't it?) had ham HTs, too.  Maybe Kenwoods, I don't remember.
>
> If you want a radio with lots of fancy buttons and lights, though, you're
> probably better off with ham gear than commercial radios... the latter 
> tend
> toward the plain and rugged end of the spectrum.
>
> Of course, movie radios are almost always full-duplex, too.  No need to 
> let
> go of the key to hear the other guy, and you can interrupt him at any time
> if you need to inject some comment.
>
> Don't get me started on the strangely cellphone-like radios in Lost, that
> show signal bars to let you know when you can talk to the other guy, and
> that give a feedback squeal when you try to transmit at the same time as a
> completely unrelated transmitter on a different band...
>
> Scott
> N1VG
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
>> [mailto:aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Salo
>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:29 PM
>> To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>> Subject: [aprssig] APRS and "Live Free or Die Hard"...
>>
>> Am I the only person who watched "Live Free or Die Hard"
>> and noticed a couple two-second shots of a "police radio"
>> that looked more like a Kenwood rig tuned to 144.34 MHz?
>>
>> Perhaps, someone should complain to the FCC about unauthorized
>> use of the ham bands by 20th Century Fox...
>>
>> -tjs
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:30:06 +1200
> From: Ian ZL1VFO <zl1vfo at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [aprssig] KISS example
> To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
> Message-ID: <1674091761.20070706173006 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>> Message: 1
>> From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at people.net.au>
>> Subject: RE: [aprssig] KISS example
>
>> Thanks Scott
>> Alot of TNC and devices these days are KISS only.
>> I want to send KISS from a PIC chip.
>> And also from LINUX using PERL.
>> This info will help
>
>> Cheers
>> Andy VK4TEC
>
> Hey Andrew,
> See if there might be anything useful you can glean from
> <http://www.ringolake.com/pic_proj/pic_index.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Ian ZL1VFO
>
>
>
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