[aprssig] Old Digi_Ned Refurb

Steve Jones steve.jones at rogers.com
Sat Sep 15 08:37:04 CDT 2007

On Sep 15, 2007, at 9:03 AM, Bob Bruninga wrote:

>>> Then how is the sender or anyone else to know that this person is  
>>> using a path that is inconsistent with the New-N paradigm?  You  
>>> change his path, and so the sender never will...

How does your method work any better?  Seems to me that the offender  
never gets digi'd and nobody hears him.  He/She gets frustrated  
because things don't work and gives up.  Maybe they ask for help and  
maybe they don't.

At least with my method, they will get out and somebody will  
eventually notice their path and teach them what they should be doing.

Perhaps they even notice that their path has been modified and they  
correct it themselves.  They see themselves sending out WIDE7-7 and  
the digi sends it back out as WIDE3-2.  They give a call out on the  
local repeater and ask about it and learn.  I'd rather have that then  
the guy agonizing over why his local digi won't digi him.

> Then how is this out-dated user ever going to learn that his path  
> is obsolete?  You change his path, and so the sender never will...   
> And you have done him a great disservice, since his mobile will not  
> work anywhere else, and he does not know that because of your  
> digi's crutches.

So, you would rather have him not digipeated at all anywhere?  I'd  
rather give these guys a shot at making it into the network in the  
hopes that they will learn.

A local in my area using an incorrect path will be noticed as he'll  
appear on my map.  I'll take a look at his packets to see who the op  
is and what kind of equipment he/she is running.  Hey, he's got an  
incorrect path so I'll shoot him a note giving him some information  
to correct it.  Then when he travels, he'll have the correct setup.

With your approach, the guy never gets noticed.  He might seek out  
help or he might just give up in frustration.

> Teachers do not correct the misspellings of their students and send  
> the work forward, but they mark the errors and send them back so  
> the student learns.

Teachers are not deaf to their students but listen and correct.

You turn a deaf ear to them and ignore them.  The students are never  
heard by the teacher and only if one of the other students can hear  
him, he'll get help.

Heck, it's Bob's network and if they don't conform, I'm not digi'ing  

>> In my opinion, that is exactly the wrong thing to do.  If it  
>> "works" in your area because of your digi's crutches, then they  
>> will never have the incentive to fix it.  But the problem remains,  
>> they have learned nothing, and then their performance dies as soon  
>> as they leave the area which might be when they need it most.

You are assuming they won't correct things.  Most hams I know are  
good listeners and network users.  Perhaps things are different in  
your area?

> Hope that helps
> Bob, Wb4APR

Not really.  I choose to let the uneducated into the network in order  
to let them get started and then educate them.

You choose to ignore them completely as they don't conform to your  

Steve <steve.jones at rogers.com>

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