[aprssig] CRUTCH support of RELAY and WIDE
noskosteve at yahoo.com
Sat Sep 15 16:14:23 CDT 2007
As someone who never did packet (but knows a little
bit about standard packets paths), bought a D700, put
my call in with a non-standard SSID and was on the
1st I believe Steve is saying that *HE* will see the
bad packets and contact the Bad-Path-Ham.
That's sort-of ok in my opinion. When I first got
on, if I had been contacted by a Digi-op, I'd have
fixed things as he said.
This would have resulted in a pretty long
conversation on how paths and digis work. But, then,
I'm a long time EE with a virtually unlimited
curiousity about too many things to list here and
somewhat of an unrequited desire to learn APRS.
If I hadn't seen myself on findu, I'd have hit the
Net with gusto, but remember the EE thing. But, I did
Case 1 - Bad-Path-Ham gets on, doesn't see themselves
on findu and walks away. I personally think that
might be OK because they wouldn't go to the trouble of
learning more... and perhaps this kind of technology
isn't their thing. They may not want/like to dig that
deep into APRS. That's ok. Not everyone does. May be
an expensive lesson.
Your opinion may differ here.
Case 2 - Bad-Path-Ham is all alone in the APRS world
and *is* motivated to dig deeper on the Net or
wherever, they (arguably) could have learned much
more... We do learn better when we are *internally*
motivated... as in my old saying:
"They say we learn by our mistakes... Boy! am I
Case 3 - Bad-Path-Ham thinks all is well on findu, BUT
gets a call from Mr. Guru *NON-absentee" Digi-Op with
info. That's good and the Digi-Op will probably (at
least try) to impart some knoledge about paths. A
Case 4a - Bad-Path-Ham &
Bad-Path-Modifying-Absentee-Digi-Op = frustration.
So, as a still pretty green APRS user (remember, not
an idiot, just ignorant), I am a little more in favor
of Bob's position. Doing the Path correction, in my
opinion, is not actually correcting the Ham as Steve
puts it. His call/email is the correction. The
initial failure can be a strong motivator, IFF they
want to learn.
If you are a Smart, involved Digi Op it's ok, but
keep it quiet. Claim that path modification is bad,
73, Steve, K9DCI
--- Bob Bruninga <bruninga at usna.edu> wrote:
> Regarding DIGI support for obsolete RELAY and WIDE:
> > I'd rather have a sense of accomplishment
> > and belonging that the user will experience
> > when he sees his first time packet digi'd
> > then the frustration of not seeing it digi'd.
> Huh? If he is successful, then he will leave it
> that way. And yes, it will work at that one
> crutch-digi, but you are setting him up for failure
> on his next trip!
> > Sure, the user has used an incorrect path
> > but let's correct his mistake, get him on the
> > air and then help him to understand what he
> > should be doing.
> Really? Who is gong to correct it? How? Its
> If it is working, and if the digi is doing callsign
> substitution or PATH MODIFICATION ON HIS BEHALF then
> how will he or ANYONE EVER KNOW! No one will ever
> see his RELAY and WIDE path. You are setting him up
> for failure.
> And you are also setting him up for using the wrong
> path and looking foolish for not using the correct
> path. No. no. no.
> The RELAY and WIDE generic paths are bad, are
> obsolete, and continuting to support them is doing a
> disservice to the user who wants to do things right.
> Bob, WB4APR
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