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[aprssig] Re: D-STAR video on YouTube

Ray Wells vk2tv at exemail.com.au
Mon Sep 24 21:32:31 UTC 2007

I don't believe I have denegrated D-STAR and I don't believe I said I 
couldn't afford it.

I'm merely defending those people who derive pleasure from their 1k2 
equipment and who possibly can't afford, or don't need anything better.

We don't scrap our old car just because the latest whizbang model is 

Nice debate, however. No fence-sitters on this one :-)

Ray vk2tv

Stephen - K1LNX wrote:

> Well looks like I started a nice firestorm over this one. Everyone has 
> different views and have passionately expressed them.
> I'm in the same boat as Ray Wells, I simply can't afford D-STAR, and 
> even if I could, I would honestly rather spend my money elsewhere. I 
> live in an area where they haven't even discovered what APRS is or can 
> do yet, if ever, nevermind adopting a brand new digital voice/data 
> protocol. I like all the shiny new radios Icom is producing, I am 
> especially enticed by the 1.2ghz one, specifically the 128kbps data 
> speed.
> I have 2 problems with that however, the first one is as others have 
> pointed out, we don't need proprietary codecs being transmitted over 
> the air that we aren't free to duplicate or implement without a 
> license. I think this is very bad for a hobby, this isn't the 
> commercial sector where money/politics flow freely. Some have to make 
> financial decisions for the enjoyment of their hobby, because it is 
> indeed that, a hobby. I really think people take this hobby way too 
> seriously at times, myself included.
> The second issue I have with it is my own speculation that the average 
> joe blow ham who gets this high speed digital data radio thinks it's 
> going to be an internet access device. I have no problem with the 
> internet being intertwined with ham radio (I think , but I also don't 
> want to see our spectrum turned into a common carrier either.
> D-STAR may evolve over time, I do not wish it's demise or it's 
> success, I am more or less neutral on the issue. I don't think hams 
> will embrace it enough for it to become a true standard. Too many old 
> repeaters out there and too many old mentalities, some people just 
> resist change alltogether.
> Let's hope their can be a competing open standard come out instead and 
> the 2 of them can operate together to keep everyone happy. That's 
> wishful thinking anyhow.
> Time to hit the coffee pot.....
> 73
> Stephen
> On 9/24/07, *Ray Wells* <vk2tv at exemail.com.au 
> <mailto:vk2tv at exemail.com.au>> wrote:
>     Mark Fellhauer wrote:
>     > At 12:04 AM 9/24/2007, Ray Wells wrote:
>     >
>     >> Let's not overlook affordability when it comes to adopting new
>     >> technologies.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > And we've covered that before.  No new technology would ever
>     come the
>     > way of ham radio if we adopted that as a standard.    I first
>     set foot
>     > in the Phoenix HRO in 1984.  It was 10 years later that I felt I was
>     > in the financial situation to actually buy an HT.    That's life.
>     > You have to choose what's important.    I've always liked
>     firearms and
>     > was raised around them.  As an adult I didn't actually commit
>     the cash
>     > to buying a pistol until I was assaulted in a parking lot by 4
>     thugs.
>     > A police office friend chastised me for being unarmed.  I bought a
>     > pistol just like his the next day.  I started going to the shooting
>     > range every Sunday.   That costs money.
>     Affordability is an individual thing and no matter how brilliant
>     the new
>     technology may be, if you can't aford it, you can't afford it, and
>     therefore, you cannot adopt it. It's simple economics.
>     New technology in packet is nothing new. Look back to the 1990's
>     to see
>     the multitude of articles on higher speed packet - 4k8 HAPN, James
>     Miller's (and others) 9k6, 19k2 with the same modem, WA4DSY's 56kb
>     modems, articles in QST on 10GHz 2MB links (N6GN & N6RCE). Take a
>     look
>     at the ARRL publication Packet: Speed, more speed (1995).
>     Look at how many built Baycom modems to save the cost of a TNC.
>     Look at
>     how many are now using soundcard modem, again to save money.
>     The technology to do bigger and better things has been there for a
>     long
>     time but only a select few could afford it.
>     Ray vk2tv
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