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[aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality

Daron Wilson daron at wilson.org
Tue Aug 12 04:32:14 UTC 2008


Perhaps I wasn't clear.  If the station is transmitting weather, it is of
course valid data.  If it is a house saying 'here I am', I fail to see the
value.  Several of our weather stations are at houses, but I don't broadcast
a beacon from my home saying 'here is my house' because I don't see any
advantage to it.

Another consideration is how you transmit weather.  Plugging a weather
station into a KPC3+ for example will give you weather, but not in the
proper format.  Our stations use a custom processor that we make and program
that takes the data from our Peet weather stations, and formats proper APRS
packets so that each weather report goes with a position report, AND is
displayed nicely on the Kenwood radios.

73




> -----Original Message-----
> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-
> bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Greg D.
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:22 PM
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality
> 
> 
> I disagree.  A house may not move, but someone who is moving through
> the area will need to know where the weather information he just
> received came from.  I find it very useful to get weather reports on my
> D7, and count on the station's position relative to mine to interpret
> what I see.
> 
> Greg  KO6TH
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: daron at wilson.org
> > To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
> > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:26:51 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality
> >
> > Most of our 11 weather stations are not base stations, they are
> digipeaters
> > on hilltops.
> >
> > At any rate, the whole reason to transmit is to provide information.
> We
> > transmit weather every 5 minutes and believe that to be reasonable.
> The
> > data that is transmitted from the weather station can change
> considerably in
> > 5 minutes, and we find this service to be valuable to our supporters
> and
> > especially the NWS.
> >
> > I will agree transmitting the position of your house with NO changing
> data
> > over and over is of little value (IMHO).  Mobile objects that are
> resources
> > are a different story, if they are stationary for 12 hours and then
> mobile
> > that makes sense.  But a house?  We do transmit objects such as our
> voice
> > repeaters, but only locally.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > N7HQR
> >
> > www.ocrg.org/telemetry_feed/ocrgwx.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-
> >> bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Brian B. Riley
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:42 AM
> >> To: ve1aic at yahoo.com; TAPR APRS Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality
> >>
> >> The point is that a weather station is more than just a base
> station.
> >> When we started the weather program back in  the 90's using the TAPR
> >> T-238 with the DalSemi OneWire weather station we settled on
> averaging
> >> and reporting every 5 minutes. This was the happy compromise between
> >> timely data for the NWS and network congestion. We had the 238 doing
> >> some of  the processing utlimately done at the far end.
> >>
> >>   The guys doing 1 minute broadcasts are wrong, but calling it a
> base
> >> station and restricting it to 10 minutes is equally ill-informed.
> Its
> >> a classic quick-fix that resolves nothing. The weather guys need
> some
> >> processing added to their controllers and need to throttle back to 5
> >> minutes. They also need to analyze their topology and see just how
> >> many of them really need three hops.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Ron wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Tony,
> >>>  A WX station transmitting on RF is just another base station, and
> >>> as such should always follow standard beacon times.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone beaconing from a base station at more than every 10 minutes
> >>> is irresponsible when well known standards are at rates of 15-20
> >>> minutes.
> >>>
> >>> The beacon path should also follow local standards for base
> stations.
> >>>
> >>> Some dialog with wx ops is necessary as they appear to be in need
> of
> >>> some education on the subject.
> >>>
> >>> 73, Ron VE1AIC
> >>> VE1AIC-4 Wx APRS
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> cheers ... 73 de brian  riley,  n1bq , underhill center, vermont
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