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[aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality

Greg D. ko6th_greg at hotmail.com
Tue Aug 12 04:37:52 UTC 2008


Ah, sorry.  Yes, I absolutely agree, though an occasional packet for vanity purposes should be ok if they're spaced out far enough (like maybe a couple a day).

Greg  KO6TH


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> From: daron at wilson.org
> To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:32:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality
> 
> Perhaps I wasn't clear.  If the station is transmitting weather, it is of
> course valid data.  If it is a house saying 'here I am', I fail to see the
> value.  Several of our weather stations are at houses, but I don't broadcast
> a beacon from my home saying 'here is my house' because I don't see any
> advantage to it.
> 
> Another consideration is how you transmit weather.  Plugging a weather
> station into a KPC3+ for example will give you weather, but not in the
> proper format.  Our stations use a custom processor that we make and program
> that takes the data from our Peet weather stations, and formats proper APRS
> packets so that each weather report goes with a position report, AND is
> displayed nicely on the Kenwood radios.
> 
> 73
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-
>> bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Greg D.
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:22 PM
>> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality
>> 
>> 
>> I disagree.  A house may not move, but someone who is moving through
>> the area will need to know where the weather information he just
>> received came from.  I find it very useful to get weather reports on my
>> D7, and count on the station's position relative to mine to interpret
>> what I see.
>> 
>> Greg  KO6TH
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: daron at wilson.org
>>> To: aprssig at lists.tapr.org
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:26:51 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality
>>>
>>> Most of our 11 weather stations are not base stations, they are
>> digipeaters
>>> on hilltops.
>>>
>>> At any rate, the whole reason to transmit is to provide information.
>> We
>>> transmit weather every 5 minutes and believe that to be reasonable.
>> The
>>> data that is transmitted from the weather station can change
>> considerably in
>>> 5 minutes, and we find this service to be valuable to our supporters
>> and
>>> especially the NWS.
>>>
>>> I will agree transmitting the position of your house with NO changing
>> data
>>> over and over is of little value (IMHO).  Mobile objects that are
>> resources
>>> are a different story, if they are stationary for 12 hours and then
>> mobile
>>> that makes sense.  But a house?  We do transmit objects such as our
>> voice
>>> repeaters, but only locally.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> N7HQR
>>>
>>> www.ocrg.org/telemetry_feed/ocrgwx.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: aprssig-bounces at lists.tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-
>>>> bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Brian B. Riley
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:42 AM
>>>> To: ve1aic at yahoo.com; TAPR APRS Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Weather Stations and Net Neutrality
>>>>
>>>> The point is that a weather station is more than just a base
>> station.
>>>> When we started the weather program back in  the 90's using the TAPR
>>>> T-238 with the DalSemi OneWire weather station we settled on
>> averaging
>>>> and reporting every 5 minutes. This was the happy compromise between
>>>> timely data for the NWS and network congestion. We had the 238 doing
>>>> some of  the processing utlimately done at the far end.
>>>>
>>>>   The guys doing 1 minute broadcasts are wrong, but calling it a
>> base
>>>> station and restricting it to 10 minutes is equally ill-informed.
>> Its
>>>> a classic quick-fix that resolves nothing. The weather guys need
>> some
>>>> processing added to their controllers and need to throttle back to 5
>>>> minutes. They also need to analyze their topology and see just how
>>>> many of them really need three hops.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Ron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>>  A WX station transmitting on RF is just another base station, and
>>>>> as such should always follow standard beacon times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone beaconing from a base station at more than every 10 minutes
>>>>> is irresponsible when well known standards are at rates of 15-20
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> The beacon path should also follow local standards for base
>> stations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some dialog with wx ops is necessary as they appear to be in need
>> of
>>>>> some education on the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Ron VE1AIC
>>>>> VE1AIC-4 Wx APRS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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