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Gerry Creager gerry.creager at tamu.edu
Sat Feb 9 17:00:03 UTC 2008


Greg,

Point taken, and it's something I'll certainly consider a valid input.

Overall, I anticipate a lot of changes to CWOP over the next 5 years, 
and port changes are only part of it.  For now, however, I'm really 
worried about making too many changes to the CWOP list.

In general, the APRS community is pretty tech-savvy, and a request to 
use different ports would be greeted with a little grumbling, and pretty 
rapid compliance.  In the CWOP community, we have to go through a lot 
more communication to get folks to make these changes, and sometimes, 
the ports in question are hard-coded either into the software or into 
software menus and effectively cannot be changed.  As we work through 
the list of developers, and potentially hold a software summit for CWOP, 
this is something to discuss, and move on.

Last year, the CWOP leadership didn't want to make all the recommended 
changes because of some of these considerations.  It's been borne out, 
based on the long exclusion list of CWOP stations who didn't respond to 
direct requests to change behavior by CWOP leaders, that some of these 
folks either don't monitor e-mail or may lack the resources to make 
these changes.  If we can make transitions easier by having the software 
do the work for them, I suspect it's better.

Or, in other words, "Yeah, you're probably right, but I'm scared to do 
it right now!"

73 gerry

Greg Noneman wrote:
> Gerry,
> 
> I'm not saying this for any logical reason, but just gut feel.  Wouldn't 
> it be better to start off connection to the separate cwop.aprs.net 
> servers with a completely new set of ports?  It just seems like this may 
> be beneficial somewhere down the line and be less confusing.
> 
> 
> 
> Greg
> On Feb 9, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Gerry Creager wrote:
> 
>> As of about 1400z today, cwop1.tamu.edu went live and entered the 
>> cwop.aprs.net rotation in place of first.aprs.net and second.aprs.net. 
>> Over time, I anticipate adding several more CWOP-only sites.  At the 
>> same time, I'm working with NOAA, CWOP (they're officially separate) 
>> and the software developers to effect a transition to the 
>> CWOP-dedicated servers.
>>
>> At the same time, with the loss of THIRD and FOURTH, which I am really 
>> sorry to see go, I'm recruiting another Core server or two.  For a 
>> variety of reasons, I'll be looking toward members of the Academic 
>> community to help with this, but to be blunt, for the most part it's 
>> to mitigate the bandwidth issues.
>>
>> I anticipate a couple of rough weeks while we make some changes, but I 
>> think I can say that we're doing the best to minimize trauma in the 
>> process to the APRS community as well as the CWOP community.
>>
>> Jim, I, too, am excited by CWOP and what it offers for both 
>> operational and research atmospheric sciences.  It's too valuable an 
>> asset to allow it to have serious problems.
>>
>> 73 gerry n5jxs
>>
>> Jim Duncan wrote:
>>> I am excited about what the CWOP people have been doing. At the 
>>> outset I questioned whether they should be on the APRS servers 
>>> because of the possibility of accidental porting of CWOP station data 
>>> out via APRS stations.
>>> At the time I asked Riley Hollingsworth his opinion on the legality 
>>> of this and it was his opinion at this would constitute remote 
>>> control by an unlicensed operator and the station licensee which 
>>> transmitted the information would be liable for a violation.
>>> Now, that being said, the growth of CWOP has been phenomenal and it 
>>> has provided not only an opportunity for non-hams to participate in 
>>> severe weather and routine weather condition reporting but has also 
>>> inspired a lot of people to get their ham licenses which is always a 
>>> positive thing!
>>> I certainly believe that the move to take CWOP's off of the APRS 
>>> system and provide an independent system is an excellent idea. It 
>>> would certainly be easy enough for those who wish to monitor that 
>>> data to do so in APRS and I am certain that there are people out 
>>> there that appreciate having this information readily available, 
>>> especially the National Weather Service personnel locally here.
>>> I wish the CWOP group continued success as they move forward and 
>>> salute them for their volunteerism!
>>> 73 de Jim Duncan, KU0G
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