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canoeman at qnet.com canoeman at qnet.com
Sat Jan 3 00:55:20 UTC 2009


wow, what a whine fest.
I'm a Canadian, living here in the states, and see no intended implications that
bob is somehow pushing america, on anybody.
Hams are famous for being whiney, and this just proves it.
I think everyone needs to relax and calm down and keep your snotty comments to
yourself.
this is about aprs, and bob created aprs, no one else.
Ive met bob before at a hamfest and he is a very nice easy going guy.
You guys need to take a pill.
jeeze THIS is what gives ham radio a bad name no matter where it happens.
Stop acting like babies.
73 de ke6anm






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>    1. ARRL Addresses (Andy McMullin)
>    2. Re: ARRL Addresses (Earl Needham)
>    3. Re: ARRL Addresses (Bob Bruninga )
>    4. Re: ARRL Addresses (J.C. Wren)
>    5. Interesting. These things get more and more capable....
>       (Dave Baxter)
>    6. Re: ARRL Addresses (Andrew Rich)
>    7. Re: ARRL Addresses (Jan T. Pharo)
>    8. Re: ARRL Addresses (Bill Vodall WA7NWP)
>    9. What device uses this (Phillip)
>   10. Re: What device uses this (Andrew Rich)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:06:36 +0000
> From: Andy McMullin <Andy at rickham.net>
> Subject: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses
> To: aprssig at tapr.org
> Message-ID: <AC1C905E-2372-4113-913D-02DEF53D338A at rickham.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> On 2 Jan 2009, at 12:00, aprssig-request at tapr.org wrote:
> 
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 07:26:16 -0500
> > From: "Richard Amirault" <ramirault at verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [aprssig] Objects vs real stations
> > To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
> > Message-ID: <2CA8CCDB87F54CDDB286EBB84F6AB406 at RichardPC>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > 	reply-type=original
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Bruninga "
> >
> >>>> a) Every ham should set his ARRL email address
> >>>
> >>> Isn't that only available to ARRL members?
> >>
> >> Yes, I assumed that any active amateur radio operator would be a  
> >> member of
> >> the National Organization for Amateur Radio,  (the ARRL).  In todays
> >> society of competing interest for the electromagnetic spectrum, it  
> >> seems
> >> to me to be only in the best interest of each one of us to support  
> >> our
> >> national organization to maintain our access to RF.
> >
> >
> > Well, here's another point that you and I disagree with.  You assume  
> > that
> > because it makes sense TO YOU that everyone else feels the same way.
> >
> > I, personally, am a member of ARRL, but I know many hams that are  
> > not. Some
> > disagree with the ARRL's policies and/or actions .. others feel it's  
> > too
> > much money to join .. and there are a few that don't know that much  
> > about
> > them so haven't decided one way or another.
> 
> As someone also tried to point out, your messages are all very USA- 
> centric too. Sometimes depressingly so.....
> 
> Anyway, radio amateurs come from all over the world. It's a big planet  
> and not all join your American Radio Relay League -- because they're  
> not American -- does that make it plain enough? So, worldwide, more  
> "hams" (as you Americans like to call us) do NOT have ARRL membership  
> than do. So Bob's statement could be taken as insulting for the rest  
> of us -- along with the attitude that we are not active operators  
> because we might not be members of your association.
> 
> Of course, as well as being a member of the RSGB I am a member of the  
> ARRL -- but that's because I like reading QST rather than the services  
> it might provide provide were I in the USA. Which address should I set  
> then? My country's national organisation or yours?
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
> http://www.rickham.net/
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:28:14 -0700
> From: Earl Needham <needhame1 at plateautel.net>

> Subject: Re: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <495E409E.3090500 at plateautel.net>
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> Andy McMullin wrote:
> > As someone also tried to point out, your messages are all very 
> > USA-centric too. Sometimes depressingly so.....
> >
> > Anyway, radio amateurs come from all over the world. It's a big planet 
> > and not all join your American Radio Relay League -- because they're 
> > not American -- does that make it plain enough? So, worldwide, more 
> > "hams" (as you Americans like to call us) do NOT have ARRL membership 
> > than do. So Bob's statement could be taken as insulting for the rest 
> > of us -- along with the attitude that we are not active operators 
> > because we might not be members of your association.
>     Now waitaminnit here -- isn't the the "American Position Reporting 
> System" reflector???
> 
>     With tongue firmly in cheek...
>     Earl
> 
> -- 
> KD5XB -- Earl Needham
> Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
> Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri,  2 Jan 2009 13:26:01 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga at usna.edu>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <20090102132601.AIN37755 at mp3.nettest.usna.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> >>>> a) Every ham should set his ARRL email address
> >>> Isn't that only available to ARRL members?
> >
> >> Yes, I assumed that any active amateur radio
> >> operator would be a member of the National 
> >> Organization for Amateur Radio,(the ARRL).
> >> ... it seems to me to be only in the best 
> >> interest of each one of us to support our
> >> national organization to maintain our access 
> >> to RF.
> >
> > I know many hams that are not. Some disagree 
> > with the ARRL's policies and/or actions...
> 
> Seems the only way to change it is to join up and bring about new blood and
> new changes.  Just complaining rarely accomplishes much.
> 
> > .. others feel it's too much money to join 
> 
> That's surprising... Let see, the minimum tax in the USA is 15% and the
> median income is about $50k.  So that means the average amateur radio
> crumudgen is already paying about $7000 per year for many things I am sure he
> is equally unhappy with.  Yet ham radio for many of these hams is one of
> their favorite avocations.  I find it hard to understand how they are then
> unwilling to contribute about 0.005 of what they contribute to the rest of
> society or 0.0007 of their income and are so dead set against contributing
> anything to amateur radio.
> 
> > .. and there are a few that don't know 
> > that much about them so haven't decided 
> > one way or another.
> 
> That's a good reminder that the rest of us have to take some responsiblity
> towards helping our fellow hams understand the rrare value of our spectrum
> and how lucky we are to have it, and how we need to be forver vigilant to
> protect our resources, and to help our organizations that do.
> 
> > As someone also tried to point out, 
> > your messages are all very USA-centric 
> > too. Sometimes depressingly so.....
> 
> Sorry, I tried to deflect such criticisms by saing your "National
> Organization for Amateur Radio" and then put (ARRL) in parenthesis.  I
> assumed individuals in other countries that had other national organisation
> would be able to insert "their" national organization in parenthesis as I had
> done, since their frequencies are given to them by their government and so
> they need to be represented by their national organization.
> 
> > Anyway, radio amateurs come from all over 
> > the world. It's a big planet and not all 
> > join your American Radio Relay League 
> >  -- because they're not American -- does 
> > that make it plain enough? 
> 
> Yes, I wouldn't expect them to.  And I thought it was plain that I was
> referring to their respective national organization as appropriate.  I would
> hope that they support their own country's organization.
> 
> > So, worldwide, more "hams" (as you 
> > Americans like to call us) do
> > NOT have ARRL membership than do. 
> > So Bob's statement could be taken 
> > as insulting for the rest of us --
> 
> No insult was intended... I assumed that people would fill in their own
> national organization.
> 
> > Of course, as well as being a member 
> > of the RSGB I am a member of the ARRL
> 
> That's great.  I hope the ARRL and QST appreciate that.
> 
> > Which [email] address should I set then? 
> > My country's national organisation or yours?
> 
> Ah, now I see how you missinterpreted my post.  You make a good point.  If we
> have multiple email reflectors, we need to make sure that the planned
> "Universal Amateur Radio Text Messaging system" is smart enough to know to
> direct a text message to a USA FCC call, to use the ARRL reflector, or if it
> is a call from GB, to direct it to the RSGB email reflector, etc.  The idea
> is to have a one-for-one translation from callsign to email.
> 
> One way to do it is to develop our own.  But the better way, I think, is to
> depend on the existing and well maintained email reflectors of our own
> national organizations.
> 
> Thanks for your input.  I'll make sure this re-direction to the proper
> national organizations email reflector is included in any such system we
> might develop.
> 
> Bob, Wb4APR 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:31:09 -0500
> From: "J.C. Wren" <jcwren at jcwren.com>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses
> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<17434f2e0901021031y44597286pbc4af04bfab00f1b at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> >
> > That's surprising... Let see, the minimum tax in the USA is 15% and the
> > median income is about $50k.  So that means the average amateur radio
> > crumudgen is already paying about $7000 per year for many things I am sure
> > he is equally unhappy with.  Yet ham radio for many of these hams is one
> of
> > their favorite avocations.  I find it hard to understand how they are then
> > unwilling to contribute about 0.005 of what they contribute to the rest of
> > society or 0.0007 of their income and are so dead set against contributing
> > anything to amateur radio.
> 
> 
> What you fail to realize here is that if people actually had to write a
> check for the amount of taxes they pay every year, there'd be a revolution.
>  And that's one of the main reasons income tax taken out prior to you
> getting your check is so popular with the politicians.
> 
> --jc
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:38:15 -0000
> From: "Dave Baxter" <Dave at emv.co.uk>
> Subject: [aprssig] Interesting. These things get more and more
> 	capable....
> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
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> Add a radio, Micro GPS and KISS TNC, and I cant help thinking of a one box
> self contained "APRS device" reading the spec's for this...  Map's & all on a
> MicroSD card.
>  
> http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/rdk-idm-l35.html
>  
> If you follow the data sheet download links, you DO NOT need to register to
> get them.  Just follow the "Options" link on those pages.
>  
> 73
>  
> Dave G0WBX
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:08:41 +1000
> From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at tech-software.net>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses

> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
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> There are other countries beside the USA 
> 
> VK4TEC
> 
> Australia
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Andy McMullin 
>   To: aprssig at tapr.org 
>   Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:06 AM
>   Subject: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On 2 Jan 2009, at 12:00, aprssig-request at tapr.org wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 07:26:16 -0500
>     From: "Richard Amirault" <ramirault at verizon.net>
>     Subject: Re: [aprssig] Objects vs real stations
>     To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
>     Message-ID: <2CA8CCDB87F54CDDB286EBB84F6AB406 at RichardPC>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>     reply-type=original
> 
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: "Bob Bruninga "
> 
> 
>           a) Every ham should set his ARRL email address
> 
> 
> 
>         Isn't that only available to ARRL members?
> 
> 
> 
>       Yes, I assumed that any active amateur radio operator would be a member
> of 
> 
>       the National Organization for Amateur Radio,  (the ARRL).  In todays 
> 
>       society of competing interest for the electromagnetic spectrum, it
> seems 
> 
>       to me to be only in the best interest of each one of us to support our
> 
> 
>       national organization to maintain our access to RF.
> 
> 
> 
>     Well, here's another point that you and I disagree with.  You assume that
> 
>     because it makes sense TO YOU that everyone else feels the same way.
> 
>     I, personally, am a member of ARRL, but I know many hams that are not.
> Some 
>     disagree with the ARRL's policies and/or actions .. others feel it's too
> 
>     much money to join .. and there are a few that don't know that much about
> 
>     them so haven't decided one way or another.
> 
> 
> 
>   As someone also tried to point out, your messages are all very USA-centric
> too. Sometimes depressingly so.....
> 
> 
>   Anyway, radio amateurs come from all over the world. It's a big planet and
> not all join your American Radio Relay League -- because they're not American
> -- does that make it plain enough? So, worldwide, more "hams" (as you
> Americans like to call us) do NOT have ARRL membership than do. So Bob's
> statement could be taken as insulting for the rest of us -- along with the
> attitude that we are not active operators because we might not be members of
> your association.
> 
> 
>   Of course, as well as being a member of the RSGB I am a member of the ARRL
> -- but that's because I like reading QST rather than the services it might
> provide provide were I in the USA. Which address should I set then? My
> country's national organisation or yours?
> 
> 
>   -- 
>   Regards
>   Andy, G8TQH
>   http://www.rickham.net/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:18:10 +0100
> From: Jan T. Pharo <la2bba at jpharo.net>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses
> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at tapr.org>
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> "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at tech-software.net>, Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:08:41
> +1000
> 
> >There are other countries beside the USA 
> 
> Yes, we have to subtlely include that in a message to international
> email and news groups every now and then...
> 
> -- 
> 73 de Jan, LA2BBA
> Hvaler, Norway
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:01:45 -0800
> From: "Bill Vodall WA7NWP" <wa7nwp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] ARRL Addresses
> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<5abd436b0901021501n71ad5b5j2306fba85b127cfc at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> >>There are other countries beside the USA
> 
> Rather then delve on semantics, how about a potential solution...
> Let's set up a gmail account for all the "aprs Email", use it to
> filter the spam and then use its rich routing options to disburse the
> email to the varied aliases.
> 
> It probably won't handle the 5K+ APRS active hams but it would make a
> good primary filter.  Other routing mechanisms could be used for the
> final delivery...
> 
> 73 de aprsemail+wa7nwp at gmail.com
> 
> Bill - WA7NWP
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 08:14:29 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
> From: "Phillip" <zl2tze at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [aprssig] What device uses this
> To: <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Message-ID: <495E6795.000035.23996 at SERVER>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
>  
> Hi,
>           Trying to track down the device that uses this  > U1RRWT
>  
> Is this a D7 ?? or something else
>  
> Thanks
>  
> 73 Phillip
> ZL2TZE
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:16:21 +1000
> From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec at tech-software.net>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] What device uses this
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> In what part of the aprs packet ?
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Phillip 
>   To: aprssig at tapr.org 
>   Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:14 AM
>   Subject: [aprssig] What device uses this
> 
> 
> 
>         Hi,
>                   Trying to track down the device that uses this  > U1RRWT
> 
>         Is this a D7 ?? or something else
> 
>         Thanks
> 
>         73 Phillip
>         ZL2TZE 
>               
>        
> 
> 
> 
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