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[aprssig] Another Bootlegger Using APRS As a Commercial AVLSystem ???

Chris Rose kb8uih at sbcglobal.net
Sun Jan 4 21:07:58 UTC 2009


You are right suggesting someone physically monitor the transmitter locally to build a history of the transmissions.  Someone may have to record audio transmissions as well to see if any identifications are made via morse code.  Now, if a morse transmission is done, doesn't some evidence in the packet for code to do so have to be evident?  What code makes the tracker transmit?  Doesn't it show in the code that is transmitted?  If not, then audio evidence of the transmission is necessarry.  Now, if these people are knowledgeable of making morse transmissions why not make it an obvious transmission in the packet?  They are inviting trouble if they have done this and not openly transmitted a packet with their call sign in it.

Chris 
KB8UIH


--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) <ldeffenb at homeside.to> wrote:

> From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) <ldeffenb at homeside.to>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Another Bootlegger Using APRS As a Commercial AVLSystem ???
> To: kd4moj at kd4moj.org, "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 2:35 PM
> The FCC doesn't care one IOTA for what is gated to
> APRS-IS.  What 
> matters is whether or not the callsign is broadcast over
> the RF.  If 
> this person/people has figured out a way to broadcast the
> callsign in a 
> non-APRS-gate-able packet, he/she can still be honoring the
> law but yet 
> not leave traces in APRS-IS.  You'd have to be RF-local
> to the 
> transmitter to prove that the callsign is NOT being
> broadcast.
> 
> Remember, in most free countries, you are are innocent
> until proven 
> guilty.  APRS-IS logged packets don't count in my book
> as proof of a 
> lack of callsign broadcast.  Since this is occurring inside
> the 
> boundaries of the United States of America, innocence is
> definitely to 
> be assumed.
> 
> If I were anywhere local, I'd still try to arrange an
> encounter with the 
> transmitter to ask about his/her equipment and what
> callsign they're 
> operating under.  Not accusing of a violation, but
> curiously 
> inquisitive.  Besides, we'll need information from the
> person to get an 
> FCC warning issued anyway.
> 
> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Just my <insert small monetary
> amount here> worth
> 
> Doug Ferrell, KD4MOJ wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > AFAIK, so long as one sends a legal identification
> packet one may use
> > a tactical call, if you will, in the position packet.
> Public service
> > organizations do this all the time. Given that, the
> truck driver could
> > easily be legal, just using the ETI-x tactical call
> while sending a
> > ham call sign outside the position packet. Does it rub
> against
> > convention? Certainly,.. and may even be on the fringe
> of illegal IF
> > being used commercially.
> >
> > I would be careful about marching up and introducing
> yourself without
> > some tact and knowledge that some do not play by the
> same rules.
> >
> > Len Revelle N9IJ
> > n9ij at comcast.net
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >   Len there is no callsign associated with any of
> his/her packets:
> >
> > 2009-01-03 17:10:56 UTC:
> >
> ETI-2>SV0Q6U,WIDE1-1,N4CKV-1,WIDE2*,qAR,N4CKV-4:`s&4l^xu/"6\}On
> the Way!
> >  2009-01-03 18:08:10 UTC:
> >
> ETI-2>SV0Q4Q,WM4Q-2,N4CKV-1,WIDE2*,qAR,N4CKV-4:`s.gr"Wu/"6c}
> >  2009-01-03 18:10:48 UTC:
> >
> ETI-2>SV0Q0T,WM4Q-2,N4CKV-1,WIDE2*,qAR,N4CKV-4:`s1zr6Cu/"6R}
> >  2009-01-03 19:01:33 UTC:
> >
> ETI-2>SU4X5T,KB4YTM-4,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1,qAR,KB4YTM-1:`t.CrJPu/"5e}
> >  2009-01-03 21:44:54 UTC:
> >
> ETI-2>SU0Y4W,N4GMT-3*,WIDE2-1,qAR,WB4EPG-3:`v`9lR7u/"4[}
> >  2009-01-03 21:45:23 UTC:
> >
> ETI-2>SU0Y5Q,N4GMT-3*,WIDE2-1,qAR,WB4EPG-3:`v`7lf|u/"4\}
> >  2009-01-04 04:59:40 UTC:
> >
> ETI-2>APT312,KK5PP-3,WIDE1*,WIDE2-1,qAR,K5JRA-1:>MT8000FA
> v1.0
> >
> >    So if it's a ham, he is not being legal.
> >
> >
> >
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