[aprssig] TNCX setups?

[The Bland Ranch]

Quoting Cap Pennell <cap at cruzio.com>:

"If the local IGate station can use the digi, or can use
another higher digi that the fill-in digi's users can also hear"

And this is the problem. The reason for using a fill-in is to get you out of an
area not serviced by other high-level digis....like alot of downtown Jackson,
CA and other areas around Amador County. You can use a fill-in to get you out,
but when you're in the holes and the only thing you can hear is the fill-in,
you really don't have a return path.

I'm not saying don't use fill-ins. I'm saying they can present their own share
of problems.

Chuck

> Right, but...  If the local IGate station can use the digi, or can use
> another higher digi that the fill-in digi's users can also hear, then such
> messaging (with stations more than one digi hop away) can still work.
> 
> The only problem is we simply can't fit everything on only 1200baud VHF all
> the time.
>   
> Often, things can be setup in one manner for "duration of demonstrated true
> need" and then conscientiously reduced to be more courteous to all the other
> VHF users afterward.
> 73, Cap
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aprssig-bounces at tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org] On
> > Behalf Of The Bland Ranch
> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:57 PM
> > To: aprssig at tapr.org
> > Subject: Re: [aprssig] TNCX setups?
> > 
> > Quoting Cap Pennell <cap at cruzio.com>:
> > 
> > "Most often these days, a simple traceable fill-in digi is far better
> > for our
> > shared VHF network.  A traceable fill-in digi operates packets
> > addressed via
> > WIDE1-1 or it's own callsign ONLY, as in the final (second one below)
> > sample
> > setup."
> > 
> > Ya.....but.......
> > 
> > We learned this Field Day that if you want to send queries to use other
> > APRS
> > features that send back replies, a fill-in digi does not help you,
> > since the
> > returning data has no knowledge that it HAS to use that fill-in digi to
> > get
> > back to you.
> > 
> > Another factor to consider when planning the network.
> > 
> > Chuck Bland
> > 
> > Quoting Cap Pennell <cap at cruzio.com>:
> > 
> > > I'd extend the Beacon 3 and Beacon 4 intervals out even further,
> > and/or
> > > reduce their paths.  No help (for it's VHF users) for a digi to
> > transmit
> > > it's own position packet more broadly than across the next digi hop
> > in all
> > > directions.  Only reduces available airtime for all the other _users_
> > of the
> > > VHF freq.
> > >
> > > A full service WIDEn-N/SSn-N digi like this sample setup (first one
> > below)
> > > will be in a very good wide area network location, in cooperation
> > with all
> > > the neighbors, and so will surely be seen on the internet too with
> > only a
> > > minimal VHF digipath.
> > >
> > > Most often these days, a simple traceable fill-in digi is far better
> > for our
> > > shared VHF network.  A traceable fill-in digi operates packets
> > addressed via
> > > WIDE1-1 or it's own callsign ONLY, as in the final (second one below)
> > sample
> > > setup.
> > > (UICall 1: WIDE1-1 and have UIFlood and UITrace empty.)
> > >
> > > 73, Cap KE6AFE
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: aprssig-bounces at tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org] On
> > > > Behalf Of Kai Gunter Brandt
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:21 PM
> > > > To: bruninga at usna.edu; TAPR APRS Mailing List
> > > > Subject: Re: [aprssig] TNCX setups?
> > > >
> > > > Robert Bruninga wrote:
> > > > >> TNC-X with the XDigi module is great as long as the latest
> > > > > firmware is
> > > > >> used. Now its possible to remote configure it too.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's easy to setup as a Fill-In or a WideN digi with the SSn
> > > > >> possibility
> > > > >> too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you send us the setup commnds to make it New-N compliant?
> > > > > Does it use UIFLOOD and UITRACE? Etc
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob, WB4APR
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > A bit modified from www.aprsla.net
> > > >
> > > >               C.     Set Digipeater Callsign.         :URCALL
> > > > A.     Set Digipeater Alias.            :URDIGI
> > > > F.     Set UIFlood Callsign.            :NOR (Norway use this as
> > SSn)
> > > > L.     Set UIFlood Limit.               :7
> > > > T.     Set UITrace Callsign.            :WIDE
> > > > M.     Set UITrace Limit.               :3
> > > > 1.     Set UICall 1.                    :
> > > > 2.     Set UICall 2.                    :
> > > > 3.     Set UICall 3.                    :
> > > > 4.     Set UICall 4.                    :
> > > > 5.     Set UICall 5.                    :
> > > > 6.     Set UICall 6.                    :
> > > > 7.     Set UICall 7.                    :
> > > > 8.     Set UICall 8.                    :
> > > > D.     Set Dupe Time (x5 secs).         :2
> > > >
> > > > B.     Set Beacons
> > > > 0. Beacon Destination Call :APNX01
> > > > 1. Beacon 1 Path :                    (direct path)
> > > > 2. Beacon 2 Path :WIDE2-1
> > > > 3. Beacon 3 Path :WIDE2-2
> > > > 4. Beacon 4 Path :NOR3-3
> > > >
> > > > 5. Beacon 1 inteval (x5 secs) :00120 Offset :0       (10.min)
> > > > 6. Beacon 2 inteval (x5 secs) :00360 Offset :240     (30.min)
> > > > 7. Beacon 3 inteval (x5 secs) :00720 Offset :120     (60min)
> > > > 8. Beacon 4 inteval (x5 secs) :00720 Offset :255     (60min)
> > > >
> > > > A. Beacon 1 text:
> > > > ;LA7BR *111111z6023.06N/00514.98Er434.700MHz T097 -2000kHz
> > > >
> > > > (The modified RX/TX TM-D710 requires the split in kHz as MHz
> > doesn't
> > > > work)
> > > >
> > > > B. Beacon 2 text:!0000.00NS00000.00E#PHG0000 W3,NORn SomePlace
> > > > C. Beacon 3 text:!0000.00NS00000.00E#PHG0000 W3,NORn SomePlace
> > > > D. Beacon 4 text:!0000.00NS00000.00E#PHG0000 W3,NORn SomePlace
> > > >
> > > > Q. Quit
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For a Fill-In i use UICall 1: WIDE1-1 and have UIFlood and UITrace
> > > > empty.
> > > >
> > > > Kai Gunter
> > > > LA3QMA
> > > >
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