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[aprssig] NE Illinois Balloon Tracks

Steve Noskowicz noskosteve at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 23 23:10:59 UTC 2009




Guess I got the argument right. 


-- 73, Steve, K9DCI
  http://k9dci.home.comcast.net/


--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) <ldeffenb at homeside.to> wrote:

> From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) <ldeffenb at homeside.to>
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] NE Illinois Balloon Tracks
> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 5:47 PM
> Steve,
> 
> I did post them to the balloon group.  Here's three of
> the replies I got:
> 
> From Joe:
> it lasts a few hours,  get a life.
> 
> What is the group to do when the tiny 200 milliwatt
> transmitter is now on the ground?  Think many if any
> digis will hear it to be able to be gated to the net?
> 
> They need the somewhat long paths to be able to gram ANY
> station they can so they can be heard once it's landed.
> 
> This  crap about abusing the network is just as crazy
> as when someone runs a crossband repeater on a somewhat
> popular frequesncy and someone complains because for 2 hours
> their dead quiet call channel between themselves and their
> buddy 5 miles away isn't quiet and a private call channel
> between them two anymore for 2 hours.
> 
> geech!
> 
> From Harry (KC5TRB APRS since 1985)
> Not a thing wrong with the path on any of the three
> balloons!
> 
> From Joe responding to Harry is the best one...
> I know,
> 
> ever since that one guy in I think florida started to make
> a stink  with these redickulus trackings of 
> listing what digi dit it hit,
> 
> Like a 200mw signal is gonna cause any problem anyway,
> 
> these jerks need to get a life
> 
> Anyway, such is life and it goes on.  I figured by
> posting here, anyone that can actually get one-on-one with
> the launchers (or other future launchers) can use these to
> provide a visual of the overkill effect.
> 
> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - APRS Infrastructure Visualization
> 
> PS.  Yes, I AM that "guy in florida", and I think they
> responded as they did because the KNOW the graphs point out
> an abuse on their part.  Oh well, it's a big world and
> life is too short to worry.
> 
> Steve Noskowicz wrote:
> > 
> > Lynn,
> > 
> > These are REALLY instructive and I'll save them, but
> not for us.  Send these to the baloon ops.  I
> tried looking them up on the "great planes Balloon" web site
> (or whatever it's called) and it's a linking nightmare.
> > 
> > I also looked on QRZ, but I'm not even supposed to be
> on the net rather trip preps.  I tried to get some of
> the phone numbers, but all the free web phone numbersites
> aren't free anymore and those guys didn't have emails on QRZ
> -don't take my word, I'm busy...
> >  I can Call Adler and get contact info and talk
> W/them and ask that they pass the
> word.   That whole group must be using the
> same advice...
> > 
> >  -- 73, Steve, K9DCI
> >   http://k9dci.home.comcast.net/
> > 
> > balloon --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr)
> <ldeffenb at homeside.to>
> wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> From: Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) <ldeffenb at homeside.to>
> >> Subject: [aprssig] NE Illinois Balloon Tracks
> >> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>,
> "Balloon_Sked" <Balloon_Sked at yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 2:44 PM
> >> Three balloons (or at least, three
> >> APRS trackers) were flying over NE Illinois today.
> Their APRS infrastructure usage can be viewed at:
> >> 
> >> http://ldeffenb.dnsalias.net.nyud.net/Tracking/Balloons/WB9SKY-11*
> >> 
> >> http://ldeffenb.dnsalias.net.nyud.net/Tracking/Balloons/KC9POK-11*
> >> 
> >> http://ldeffenb.dnsalias.net.nyud.net/Tracking/Balloons/KC9LIG-11*
> >> 
> >> (Make sure you look for today's date, these
> trackers also
> >> flew on before)
> >> 
> >> WB9SKY-11 was heard as far west as Sioux Falls, NW
> of
> >> Duluth, North of Milwaukee, NE to Flint and
> Detroit, East to
> >> Columbus, and SE to Cincinnati.
> >> 
> >> KC9POK-11 was almost as bad and worse to the south
> sending
> >> at least on packet well south of Lexington.
> >> 
> >> KC9LIG-11 was the most contained (if you can call
> it that)
> >> without the extremes to the north and south. 
> I'm sure
> >> that was just the luck of the draw.
> >> 
> >> Note that these balloons were using very
> APRS-abusive paths
> >> causing wide ranging infrastructure activation
> and
> >> 144.390Mhz channel hogging.  Please,
> balloonists,
> >> consult with some local APRS Amateur Radio mentors
> before
> >> launching transmitters at such altitudes!
> >> 
> >> If you're going to fly transmitters at balloon
> altitudes,
> >> please restrict your trackers to no path, or at
> most a
> >> WIDE2-1.  You've got line of sight to
> everything on the
> >> ground, so you really don't need any digis
> (certainly not
> >> WIDE1 digis) to help deliver your signal.
> >> 
> >> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - On behalf of the APRS
> community
> >> 
> >> PS.  The larger the final dash number, the
> higher the
> >> resolution.  You'll need to zoom in to see
> the
> >> details.  The files ending in -D-nn.png are
> close-ups
> >> of the tracked points themselves and do not show
> the
> >> infrastructure usage.  Red lines are direct
> >> communications, green lines are Digi to IGate
> links. Small red dots are Digis, larger red dots are
> IGates.
> >> 
> >> Feel free to use the images however you would
> like, but
> >> copy them and republish them.  Please do not
> publish
> >> direct links to my server.
> >> 
> >> 
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