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[aprssig] Is WXSVR Permanently Defunct???

Phil - AD6NH ad6nh_lists at dslextreme.com
Tue Jul 28 23:57:30 UTC 2009


Get off the list, Steve.  I didn't tell you to do anything with anything
[until just now].  My apologies to Stan and the list - I wont reward this
with any more replies.

73
Phil - AD6NH
www.aprsca.net
www.aprs2.net

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Steve Dimse <steve at dimse.com> wrote:

> What is your time worth? The thousands of hours I've spent on findU are
> worth more than most sailboats!
>
> Even if it was one hour at minimum wage, it is still MINE. You have
> absolutely no right to tell me what I should do with my belongings. The
> reason I spent my time creating something is immaterial, its value to others
> is immaterial, your reason for trying to impose your will upon me is
> immaterial. The created item is my property, and I have the right to do with
> it what I please!
>
> Steve K4HG
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Phil - AD6NH wrote:
>
>  You're comparing a sailboat, worth tens if not hundreds of thousands of
>> dollars, and which is used for a personal venture, to software that is
>> written for the benefit of the community at large?  Hardly a correlation
>> worth even trying to understand.
>>
>> Dale, et al., should be congratulated and praised for the work they have
>> done, and let nothing stop that!  I am merely mentioning the fact that when
>> things are created for public venture, it would be considerate to think of
>> the ramifications of disappearing one day without a plan.  That shouldn't
>> detract from the praise of the years of service, or rights to do with it
>> what one pleases, but it does make it more difficult for the network to
>> progress.
>>
>> 73
>> Phil - AD6NH
>> www.aprsca.net
>> www.aprs2.net
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Steve Dimse <steve at dimse.com> wrote:
>> Pet Peeve Alert....
>>
>> I really get mad when people say things like this. A computer program is
>> the personal property of the author. He has, and should have, complete
>> freedom to use it to provide a service, sell it, make it open source, or
>> throw it in the trash.
>>
>> Suppose you spend years building a beautiful sailboat, and once it is done
>> you spend more years giving underprivileged kids sailing lessons. At some
>> point you stop doing it. Maybe it is a health reason, maybe one of the
>> parents yelled at you, maybe you can't afford the upkeep, or maybe you just
>> don't like to sail any more. Does that mean you have some sort of obligation
>> to allow others to take over the boat? Does it mean you have to explain your
>> decision to stop doing something altruistic? Of course not.
>>
>> Running a service for hams is a frustrating experience, to say the least.
>> Maybe ten percent of users will take the time to thank you or to donate when
>> you need it. Eighty-eight percent of hams use the service and appreciate it,
>> but don't give a particular thought to the effort and expense behind it. The
>> final two percent are the ones ruin it. You cannot please them, and they
>> feel like you have some sort of obligation to bend to their wishes and
>> needs. Dave Anderson, who was one of the brightest and most generous APRS
>> sysops was driven out of APRS by that two percent. There are times when I
>> get fed up, and I try to focus on the the 98%. One day it may not be
>> enough...
>>
>> Dale deserves nothing but the profuse thanks of all the ham operators who
>> have benefited by his efforts over the years. He has no obligations to APRS,
>> we have an obligation to him!
>>
>> Steve K4HG
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Phil - AD6NH wrote:
>>
>> It's really too bad the wheel needs to be reinvented.  I have appreciated
>> the services that WXSVR has given us over the years.  While I understand the
>> time, money, and effort involved with maintaining a feature such as WXSVR,
>> it sure would be nice for the folks on the development side to offer the
>> platform for someone else to host if they feel they no longer want to
>> support it.  Was the code so proprietary that it could not be transferred to
>> another server?  I'm sure there are dozens of us if not more who would be
>> more than willing to host WXSVR.
>>
>> I mean no disrespect to any software developers, but if you're going to
>> develop an application for Ham Radio, and software and systems are designed
>> around that application, then I think an effort should be made to allow the
>> service to continue after you are through.  At any rate, what else can we
>> do?
>>
>> 73
>> Phil - AD6NH
>> www.aprsca.net
>> www.aprs2.net
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Michael Francoeur <
>> mfranc at myfairpoint.net> wrote:
>> One of the WXSVR features that I'll miss is the finger command to get the
>> full NWS message.  I was doing this for our state eoc and would like to be
>> able to get the full NWS message from any APRS NWS trigger.
>>
>> Mike/N1NAF
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aprssig-bounces at tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Curt, WE7U
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:19 PM
>> To: TAPR APRS Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [aprssig] Is WXSVR Permanently Defunct???
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Stephen H. Smith wrote:
>>
>> > Currently, I see that AE5PL is injecting APRS point objects and simple
>> APRS
>> > area objects for weather events into the APRS IS, but not the control
>> codes
>> > to "light up" the colored transparent "shape file"  overlays.
>> > Is there any plan to resume the WXSVR shape file service?
>>
>> The alert zone problem is being worked on.  Depending on your client
>> they may be working now.  Additional clients may start lighting up
>> zones during the next day or so.  Thank you Pete!
>>
>> --
>> Curt, WE7U.                         <http://www.eskimo.com/~archer<http://www.eskimo.com/%7Earcher>
>> >
>>  APRS:  Where it's at!                    <http://www.xastir.org>
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