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[aprssig] Object Definition vs third-party traffic?

Steve Dimse steve at dimse.com
Wed Jun 10 00:28:56 UTC 2009

OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. If you said WX4MLB was not an  
IGate I missed that.

There is a reason a person may choose to send a packet like this. It  
will not appear on the APRS IS since third party packets are filtered  
out. It you want to send something on RF and not have it seen on the  
APRS IS, this is the best way to do it.

Steve K4HG

On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) wrote:

> No Steve, unfortunately I believe it's you that does not  
> understand.  I mis-stated that I heard this on APRS-IS, and WX4MLB-3  
> is NOT an IGate, it is ONLY a digipeater (and a non-functioning one  
> since April 14, but I'm working with the trustee on that issue).   
> I'm not attempting to change what has been going on for a long time,  
> I'm just trying to understand how to interpret it.  As with nearly  
> everything in APRS, there doesn't seem to be any hard-and-fast  
> RULES, just guidelines and suggestions as to what works best.
> WX4MLB-3>BEACON:}146.52>APOBJ:!2806.  N/08039.  WrPHG7260 NWS  
> I agree, that's what an IGated packet is supposed to look like.  I  
> have my own IGate gating my cellphone-generated APRS-IS packets to  
> RF (KJ4ERJ-12) and have worked with my son (KJ4DXK-9) on how to  
> interpret what he's receiving over RF via the TNC in his car.  (We  
> play APRS tag around town, so we need to see where each other is and  
> he's developing his own APRS client / display).
> However, even though it's a well-formed third-party packet, the  
> ostensible "third-party" is formatting something that is non- 
> traceable as an object.  The original packet, assuming that it was  
> actually gated -IS to RF, would have been:
> 146.52>APOBJ:!2806.  N/08039.  WrPHG7260 NWS MELBOURNE
> That's certainly a mighty strange looking originating callsign, even  
> for a tactical usage.  And there's no other callsign in the  
> theoretical packet, although there's no legal requirement to have  
> such a thing in APRS-IS (the supposed source of this gated packet).
> I've gotten my answer, my interpretation of what the packet SAYS was  
> correct.  In the meantime, I've discovered http://aprs.org/info/object-perm.txt 
>  which certainly seems to describe the packet under discussion.   
> Even to the point that you'll probably never see such a thing on  
> Anyway, I'm satisfied with what I've learned and believe we've  
> reached the point of diminishing return and increasing mis- 
> understanding, so I'm suggesting we let this particular thread wend  
> its way into the ether....
> Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Thankful to all for the discussion
> Steve Dimse wrote:
>> I do not think you understand. This is an IGated packet. It  
>> appeared on the APRS Internet System. WX4MLB is an IGate that was  
>> configured to IGate packets from that station to RF. This is  
>> exactly what an IGated packet is supposed to look like.
>> Steve K4HG
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:42 PM, rttyman wrote:
>>> Hello Steve.
>>>> It is important to rocognize that WX4MLB did not originate the  
>>>> packet,
>>>> so it should not modify it.
>>> If we suppose that WX4MLB was not the originator of this packet,  
>>> but an
>>> originator is absent, it not quite well. We don't know why it so,
>>> possibly a wrong truncating of packet's content happened in some
>>> place...
>>> In case if WX4MLB had originate this packet on RF (as suppose Lynn  
>>> in last
>>> message) third party sign "}" should not used here, instead ";"  
>>> should used
>>> with follow Object related format.
>>> I think that Lynn can contact with sysop of WX4MLB and ask all  
>>> details,
>>> if interested.
>>> Regards,
>>> Sergej
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