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ne line of text "Message text"=2C followed by a message with the /EX termin=
ator.  What she got was:

"Message received Message
text**************************************************** This message
was sent using a remote device which *** *** has limited capacity.=20
When replying use plain *** *** text and keep the message as short as
possible. *************************"

So=2C "Message text" is indeed in there=2C but the subject is deleted since=
 apparently that has no equivalent in a SMS text message.  The "Message rec=
eived" part is from the D7 sending an automatic acknowledgment message (whi=
ch I probably should turn off for this)=2C and then there's all the extra f=
luff of the message length warning.

I wonder if it would be possible to add a command to the gateway (ST instea=
d of SP=2C perhaps) for sending to Text message recipients=2C that would le=
ave out the extra warning text (since they can't send much back either)?  O=
r maybe end with /ET instead of /EX=2C if the gateway doesn't want to remem=
ber how the message started?

Would the "Winlink system administrator" be a good contact person for this =
suggestion?

Also=2C I tried sending a short message back to my D7 from a regular email =
program=2C and it also worked=2C but again the message length problem was v=
ery limiting.  I can see the whole string on my Xastir gateway=2C but when =
it gets to the radio=2C I see the subject line and the sender's email addre=
ss=2C but the text is truncated.  I thought the messages were sent in piece=
s=2C so that you would see the whole thing...  Did I not retrieve it correc=
tly?  (sent "r1" to the gateway from the D7).  Or=2C is the D7 not configur=
ed right?

Thanks!

Greg  KO6TH


From: ko6th_greg at hotmail.com
To: bwebster at wirelessmapping.com=3B aprssig at tapr.org
Date: Thu=2C 14 May 2009 21:17:21 -0700
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -> Cell phone Text message problem








Hi Brian=2C

Ah=2C this one looks promising.  Plain text=2C multiple lines (Thank you!)=
=2C and I get to set both the subject and text contents.  The only issue mi=
ght be the message length=2C due to the long hunk of text warning you about=
 the limited reply capability.  (Ironic=2C no?).

I've got an email out to my daughter to warn her it's coming...  I'll let y=
ou know.

Greg  KO6TH


From: bwebster at wirelessmapping.com
To: aprssig at tapr.org
Date: Wed=2C 13 May 2009 08:08:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -> Cell phone Text message problem










See=20
if you have the problem sending messages via the APRS-Winlink Gateway. I li=
ke=20
the fact that you can assign an alias for a long email in APRSLink which=20
certainly shortens the keystrokes required from an APRS device to key=20
in....
=20
http://www.winlink.org/aprslink
=20


Thank You=2C
Brian N2KGC
=20
 -----Original=20
Message-----
From: aprssig-bounces at tapr.org=20
[mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org]On Behalf Of Greg D.
Sent:=20
Wednesday=2C May 13=2C 2009 1:42 AM
To:=20
aprssig at tapr.org
Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -> Cell phone=20
Text message problem


Well=2C you still see them over here.  I guess the Cell=20
  companies have trained us to lower expectations.

The first message I=20
  sent (via email-2) did display all the junk (no message text)=2C but then=
 later=20
  ones from the same service did the reboot thing.  That's why I'm thinking=
=20
  the bit bucket needs to be emptied=2C or something similar.  I think I'll=
=20
  let her clear it all out and try the original email service one last time=
=2C=20
  unless there's a 3rd service out there to try=2C or some way to configure=
=20
  (format) what it delivers.

But=2C yeah=2C even without the messages she=20
  occasionally complains of it turning itself off every once in a while. =20
  Voice quality is a challenge on any mobile phone=2C another thing we've b=
een=20
  "trained" on.

Me=2C well=2C I don't have a cell phone...  If I'm in=20
  the office=2C leave a message and I'll get back to you.  If I'm in the ca=
r=2C=20
  try the Auburn repeater :-).

Greg  KO6TH


> Date:=20
  Tue=2C 12 May 2009 13:35:50 +0100
> From: dave at uk-ar.co.uk
> To:=20
  aprssig at tapr.org
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -> Cell phone=20
  Text message problem
>=20
> The Razr is not exactly known for its=20
  reliability=2C sadly.
>=20
> They were popular over here briefly for=20
  the big screen and the style of
> the package=2C but quickly fell out of=20
  favour due to many "operational"
> issues that P'd off too many users=2C=20
  on all networks. I haven't seen
> one in use now in the UK=2C for over a=20
  year. I guess they are all in
> landfill now=2C or at the back of the=20
  kitchen cupboard. The one my
> partner had=2C used to drop call's or reset=20
  for no reason=2C never did get
> to the bottom of that=2C I think she broke=20
  it in half out of frustration
> in the end.
>=20
> 73.
>=20
 =20
> Dave G0WBX (Owner of an older Nokia 6310i. It just keeps=20
  working...)
>=20
>=20
> ________________________________
>=20
 =20
> From: Greg D.
> Sent: 12 May 2009 06:39
> To:=20
  aprssig at tapr.org
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -> Cell phone=20
  Text message problem
>=20
>=20
> Hi Pete=2C
>=20
> Yeah=2C=20
  that's what I figured. Email-2 was the service I used=2C because I
>=20
  appreciate how it can use aliases for email addresses.
>=20
> I=20
  tried again using the original email service (no "-2")=2C because it
>=20
  formats things differently=2C with "Message from <call sign>" in=20
  the
> subject=2C and the message within the traditional message text area.=20
  She
> got a message=2C but this time the phone rebooted itself and left=20
  an
> error=2C something about not being able to download the message. I=20
  didn't
> try to pursue it at this time. Perhaps it's simply out of=20
  space=2C or
> maybe the links and/or size is causing an internal crash.=20
  The phone is
> a Motorola Razr=2C with T-Mobile service.
>=20
>=20
  So=2C this is going to take some gateway work...
>=20
> Any=20
  takers?
>=20
> Greg KO6TH
>=20
>=20
>=20
  _______________________________________________
> aprssig mailing=20
  list
> aprssig at tapr.org
>=20
  https://www.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/aprssig


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  Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.=20
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Ha=2C Success!&nbsp=3B It can use some tweeking on both sides (the D7 and t=
he gateway)=2C but the message was received=2C and the phone did NOT reboot=
.<br><br>From the D7 I sent a message with "message subject" as the subject=
=2C and one line of text "Message text"=2C followed by a message with the /=
EX terminator.&nbsp=3B What she got was:<br><br>"Message received Message
text**************************************************** This message
was sent using a remote device which *** *** has limited capacity.&nbsp=3B
When replying use plain *** *** text and keep the message as short as
possible. *************************"<br><br>So=2C "Message text" is indeed =
in there=2C but the subject is deleted since apparently that has no equival=
ent in a SMS text message.&nbsp=3B The "Message received" part is from the =
D7 sending an automatic acknowledgment message (which I probably should tur=
n off for this)=2C and then there's all the extra fluff of the message leng=
th warning.<br><br>I wonder if it would be possible to add a command to the=
 gateway (ST instead of SP=2C perhaps) for sending to Text message recipien=
ts=2C that would leave out the extra warning text (since they can't send mu=
ch back either)?&nbsp=3B Or maybe end with /ET instead of /EX=2C if the gat=
eway doesn't want to remember how the message started?<br><br>Would the "Wi=
nlink system administrator" be a good contact person for this suggestion?<b=
r><br>Also=2C I tried sending a short message back to my D7 from a regular =
email program=2C and it also worked=2C but again the message length problem=
 was very limiting.&nbsp=3B I can see the whole string on my Xastir gateway=
=2C but when it gets to the radio=2C I see the subject line and the sender'=
s email address=2C but the text is truncated.&nbsp=3B I thought the message=
s were sent in pieces=2C so that you would see the whole thing...&nbsp=3B D=
id I not retrieve it correctly?&nbsp=3B (sent "r1" to the gateway from the =
D7).&nbsp=3B Or=2C is the D7 not configured right?<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Gr=
eg&nbsp=3B KO6TH<br><br><br><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">From: ko6th_greg at hotmai=
l.com<br>To: bwebster at wirelessmapping.com=3B aprssig at tapr.org<br>Date: Thu=
=2C 14 May 2009 21:17:21 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -&gt=3B=
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Hi Brian=2C<br><br>Ah=2C this one looks promising.&nbsp=3B Plain text=2C mu=
ltiple lines (Thank you!)=2C and I get to set both the subject and text con=
tents.&nbsp=3B The only issue might be the message length=2C due to the lon=
g hunk of text warning you about the limited reply capability.&nbsp=3B (Iro=
nic=2C no?).<br><br>I've got an email out to my daughter to warn her it's c=
oming...&nbsp=3B I'll let you know.<br><br>Greg&nbsp=3B KO6TH<br><br><br><h=
r id=3D"EC_stopSpelling">From: bwebster at wirelessmapping.com<br>To: aprssig@=
tapr.org<br>Date: Wed=2C 13 May 2009 08:08:26 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [aprssi=
g] APRS Email -&gt=3B Cell phone Text message problem<br><br>




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<div><span class=3D"EC_EC_251360612-13052009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=
=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"3">See=20
if you have the problem sending messages via the APRS-Winlink Gateway. I li=
ke=20
the fact that you can assign an alias for a long email in APRSLink which=20
certainly shortens the keystrokes required from an APRS device to key=20
in....</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"EC_EC_251360612-13052009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=
=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"3"></font></span>&nbsp=3B</div>
<div><span class=3D"EC_EC_251360612-13052009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=
=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"3"><a href=3D"http://www.winlink.org/aprslink">http://w=
ww.winlink.org/aprslink</a></font></span></div>
<div>&nbsp=3B</div>
<div><font face=3D"Tahoma"><br><br>Thank You=2C</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Tahoma">Brian&nbsp=3B<span class=3D"EC_EC_251360612-1305=
2009">N2KGC</span></font></div>
<div><span class=3D"EC_EC_251360612-13052009"></span><font face=3D"Tahoma">=
<span class=3D"EC_EC_251360612-13052009"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"3"=
>&nbsp=3B</font></span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Tahoma"><span class=3D"EC_EC_251360612-13052009">&nbsp=
=3B</span>-----Original=20
Message-----<br><b>From:</b> aprssig-bounces at tapr.org=20
[mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg D.<br><b>Sent:</b=
>=20
Wednesday=2C May 13=2C 2009 1:42 AM<br><b>To:</b>=20
aprssig at tapr.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -&gt=3B Cell p=
hone=20
Text message problem<br><br></font></div>
<blockquote>Well=2C you still see them over here.&nbsp=3B I guess the Cell=
=20
  companies have trained us to lower expectations.<br><br>The first message=
 I=20
  sent (via email-2) did display all the junk (no message text)=2C but then=
 later=20
  ones from the same service did the reboot thing.&nbsp=3B That's why I'm t=
hinking=20
  the bit bucket needs to be emptied=2C or something similar.&nbsp=3B I thi=
nk I'll=20
  let her clear it all out and try the original email service one last time=
=2C=20
  unless there's a 3rd service out there to try=2C or some way to configure=
=20
  (format) what it delivers.<br><br>But=2C yeah=2C even without the message=
s she=20
  occasionally complains of it turning itself off every once in a while.&nb=
sp=3B=20
  Voice quality is a challenge on any mobile phone=2C another thing we've b=
een=20
  "trained" on.<br><br>Me=2C well=2C I don't have a cell phone...&nbsp=3B I=
f I'm in=20
  the office=2C leave a message and I'll get back to you.&nbsp=3B If I'm in=
 the car=2C=20
  try the Auburn repeater :-).<br><br>Greg&nbsp=3B KO6TH<br><br><br>&gt=3B =
Date:=20
  Tue=2C 12 May 2009 13:35:50 +0100<br>&gt=3B From: dave at uk-ar.co.uk<br>&gt=
=3B To:=20
  aprssig at tapr.org<br>&gt=3B Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -&gt=3B Cell=
 phone=20
  Text message problem<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B The Razr is not exactly known f=
or its=20
  reliability=2C sadly.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B They were popular over here br=
iefly for=20
  the big screen and the style of<br>&gt=3B the package=2C but quickly fell=
 out of=20
  favour due to many "operational"<br>&gt=3B issues that P'd off too many u=
sers=2C=20
  on all networks. I haven't seen<br>&gt=3B one in use now in the UK=2C for=
 over a=20
  year. I guess they are all in<br>&gt=3B landfill now=2C or at the back of=
 the=20
  kitchen cupboard. The one my<br>&gt=3B partner had=2C used to drop call's=
 or reset=20
  for no reason=2C never did get<br>&gt=3B to the bottom of that=2C I think=
 she broke=20
  it in half out of frustration<br>&gt=3B in the end.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B =
73.<br>&gt=3B=20
  <br>&gt=3B Dave G0WBX (Owner of an older Nokia 6310i. It just keeps=20
  working...)<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B _____________________________=
___<br>&gt=3B=20
  <br>&gt=3B From: Greg D.<br>&gt=3B Sent: 12 May 2009 06:39<br>&gt=3B To:=
=20
  aprssig at tapr.org<br>&gt=3B Subject: Re: [aprssig] APRS Email -&gt=3B Cell=
 phone=20
  Text message problem<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Hi Pete=2C<br>&gt=3B=
 <br>&gt=3B Yeah=2C=20
  that's what I figured. Email-2 was the service I used=2C because I<br>&gt=
=3B=20
  appreciate how it can use aliases for email addresses.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=
=3B I=20
  tried again using the original email service (no "-2")=2C because it<br>&=
gt=3B=20
  formats things differently=2C with "Message from &lt=3Bcall sign&gt=3B" i=
n=20
  the<br>&gt=3B subject=2C and the message within the traditional message t=
ext area.=20
  She<br>&gt=3B got a message=2C but this time the phone rebooted itself an=
d left=20
  an<br>&gt=3B error=2C something about not being able to download the mess=
age. I=20
  didn't<br>&gt=3B try to pursue it at this time. Perhaps it's simply out o=
f=20
  space=2C or<br>&gt=3B maybe the links and/or size is causing an internal =
crash.=20
  The phone is<br>&gt=3B a Motorola Razr=2C with T-Mobile service.<br>&gt=
=3B <br>&gt=3B=20
  So=2C this is going to take some gateway work...<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Any=
=20
  takers?<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Greg KO6TH<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B=20
  _______________________________________________<br>&gt=3B aprssig mailing=
=20
  list<br>&gt=3B aprssig at tapr.org<br>&gt=3B=20
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