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[aprssig] River Gauging APRS setup

Frank or Barbara Rossi n3flr at bellatlantic.net
Sat Dec 18 02:53:56 UTC 2010

It is a great Web Interface.
Here is Pa. Click <http://waterwatch.usgs.gov/?m=real&w=gmap&regions=pa>
Already well covered by the USGS.
It may be more a matter of the USGS not talking to the NWS if there not 
getting enough data from this interface.

In Pittsburgh the Hydrologist at the Pittsburgh NWS do a pretty good job 
estimating when there will be any flooding.
His tools are the automated river gauges, and rain gauges reports from 
Skywarn Hams .

I think around Pittsburgh Pa area, APRS Weather Stations with rain 
gauges would be more useful.
Hams are not always available to give rain gauge reports, APRS Weather 
station would be 24/7.
In the summer, hit and miss Thunderstorms can dump 2 inches of rain in 
one area, with other areas with no rain.

In Western Pa, ALL rain runoff ends up in the Ohio River, downtown 
Major river flooding usually happens the day after the rain comes.
Small creeks and streams are the ones that will flood first, day of the 
Lots of hills around Pittsburgh. From 3,200 Ft Mt Davis to 680 ft in 
altitude Pittsburgh in less than 50 miles.
Water goes down hill.
N3FLR - Frank

On 12/17/2010 9:10 PM, Steve Noskowicz wrote:
>     Thanks Frank,
>     http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/nwismap/?site_no=05550001&agency_cd=USGS
>     <http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/nwismap/?site_no=05550001&agency_cd=USGS>
>     That's him!  Boy, they sure have a nice Web interface.
>     And the Thompson road bridge unit is still reporting, so it is
>     still there...somewhere.
>     Steve
>     ...  Check this link Click <http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/rt>
>     N3FLR - Frank
>     On 12/17/2010 8:11 PM, Steve Noskowicz wrote:
>>     Hey!  Wait a minute...!   This is *already* done automaticlly and
>>     by radio.
>>       Cycling last spring on the bicycle path from Cristal Lake, IL
>>     to south of Algonquin, IL the path crosses the Fox River.  What
>>     easily caught my eye was the UHF beam, only feet from the path,
>>     pointing toward Pluto.  There was a pretty big outdoor box,
>>     though I couldn't see the water sensor.  I don't recall the
>>     detail, but it had a sign and was a water montoring setup beaming
>>     obviously to a satellite.  The sign had specifics and it may have
>>     been USGS, I just don't remember.  I had no pencil or I'd have
>>     Googled it back home.  Shoulda' used the cell to leave a memo @ home.
>>       The McHenry County Conservation District also recently drilled
>>     a well on one vacant space near here and now there is a solar
>>     panel, a box and another beam pointing at Pluto.  The sign there
>>     even has the satellite name -  Geos - something or other and the
>>     beam still has the frequency label.
>>       They're just rebuilding our Thompson road bridge, but until
>>     recently it had a box and what looked like something that could
>>     be dropped/cranked down to the water, and I think had a USGS
>>     label.  Without any visible sub-space radio, I often wondered how
>>     they actuated it from Pluto..  (;-).  Now I know.
>>     --
>>     73, Steve,
>>     --- On *Fri, 12/17/10, Lee Mushel /<herbert3 at centurytel.net>
>>     <http://us.mc386.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=herbert3@centurytel.net>/*
>>     wrote:
>>         Gentlemen,
>>         I find this to be a very interesting topic.   You see, next
>>         spring I might get a phone call from the National Weather
>>         Service and then I take the key and drive to the river gauge,
>>         open the padlock, lower the "sensor" and read the value, then
>>         restore everything and drive to the next gauge and then the
>>         next.   This may take 45 minutes.   Then I email NWS my
>>         report---or I could radio it to them but the email is
>>         preferred because it provides a record that is easily
>>         handled.  Now, since there is that padlock to be considered I
>>         hope that any plans would include provisions for
>>         security---especially if I am paying for this!
>>         But I must warn you that a suggestion by me that realtime
>>         water/flood photos be "radioed" by ham radio to the
>>         hydrologist was met with absolutely no enthusiasm. 
>>         Acceptance of new ideas, even though they have merit, can be
>>         difficult!
>>         73
>>         Lee  K9WRU
>>             ----- Original Message -----
>>             *From:* Jim Tolbert
>>             <http://us.mc386.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jim@riverridge-wi.net>
>>             *To:* TAPR APRS Mailing List
>>             <http://us.mc386.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aprssig@tapr.org>
>>             *Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2010 6:29 AM
>>             *Subject:* Re: [aprssig] River Gauging APRS setup
>>             http://www.graphicartworks.net/xpondr_main/floodadvisor.html
>>             On 12/17/2010 5:30 AM, Wes Johnston, AI4PX wrote:
>>>             http://www.xpondr.com/041202/flood_advisor.pdf
>>>             I just searched my email archives and this is what I
>>>             found. Link doesn't work.  I do remember this thing
>>>             though, it was in a PVC pipe and shot an ultrasonic
>>>             transducer down the pipe to measure the distance to the
>>>             water surface.  I think the guy that made it was in
>>>             Florida.... but not sure.
>>>             Wes
>>>             ---
>>>             God help those who do not help themselves.
>>>             On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 23:54, Daron Wilson
>>>             <daron at wilson.org
>>>             <http://us.mc386.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=daron@wilson.org>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>                 Somewhere I've seen plans for a simple river gauge
>>>                 setup with APRS, seems to
>>>                 me it was a micro power transmitter, the thing ran
>>>                 on several 6v lantern
>>>                 batteries, PVC conduit into the river for the
>>>                 sensing portion and an antenna
>>>                 on top of the PVC.  I can't find it, does anyone
>>>                 remember this and have the
>>>                 link or info on this?
>>>                 Thanks,
>>>                 Daron N7HQR
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