[aprssig] 3' snow emergency dumb idea...(response)

Gregg Wonderly gregg at wonderly.org
Mon Feb 8 12:19:34 CST 2010

Let's just say that there are those that scream about laws and rules and 
regulations as "the way" instead of understanding that every law, rule and 
regulation we have is meant to protect the safety and security of those 
involved.  If you are taking that on, with your actions under consideration, are 
you breaking the law/rule?  Sure you are.  Are you wrong?  In many cases, 
including the use of RF, the fact that property or life is at risk, outweighs 
the laws.

People, please stop the nonsense.  If you understand what turning the break off 
does, then you'd understand, that once the breaker is off, you are no longer on 
the mains, you have an independently wired system that you can do whatever the 
heck you want with, and the only thing that I would consider the law should say, 
is that you can't go back on the mains until you have a licensed inspection occur.

Just saying its wrong, irresponsible and against the law is, for me, a 
reflection of peoples in ability to contribute to problem solving around them in 
general, and probably represents a portion of the population that still has not 
laid the phone down, and has the power company on speed dial.

Solving the problem yourself is what we need people to do.  Is it important to 
follow appropriate steps of safety and dealing with the "issues" of the rules 
and regulations?  That is the key point to understand!  If you don't understand 
why there is a law/rule, then probably you don't need to be doing this yourself 

Gregg Wonderly

Rudy Benner wrote:
> Not only is it unsafe, it's illegal.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga at usna.edu>
> To: "TAPR APRS Mailing List" <aprssig at tapr.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [aprssig] 3' snow emergency dumb idea...(response)
>>>> that way my 12' male-to-male "emergency power"
>>>> cord could connect the two directly...
>>> Shame on you!... a totally unsafe practice such as this.
>> I do not see anything unsafe about it.  Never any exposed electricity. 
>> Any fool can do it.
>> 1) Turn off main breaker
>> 2) Plug in male-to-male into house
>> 3) Plug in male-to-male into car inverter
>> 4) Turn on inverter switch.
>> When power returns to neighborhood, reverse the steps.  Nothing unsafe 
>> about it in any way.
>> We trust 100 million people a day to drive 2000 pound missles at each 
>> other with a closing speed of over 120 MPH and certain death aimed to 
>> just miss each other by 4 to 6 feet in the most legalized game of 
>> "chicken" on earth (our highways).  And there are enough fools there 
>> to kill over 1000 people a day (just guessing)...  Life is full of 
>> risk...
>> I think we can trust most people to not stick their tongue on a frozen 
>> pump handle or to energize an exposed circuit and then lick their 
>> fingers and TOUCH BOTH prongs.
>>> [Signed] Rick ...
>>> "Those who would give up essential Liberty,
>>> to purchase a little temporary Safety,
>>> deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
>> Purchasing a little "safety" (dont play with electricity) by giving up 
>> the "liberty" of having emergency power for my family, and then 
>> sitting on my wringing hands in the cold is not my way of living.  I 
>> trust hams (on this list) to have a modicum of common sense.
>> In this weather disaster affecting over 8 million people in the area 
>> of our nation's capital, I was disgusted at the media and population.  
>> The radio news is carrying nothing but warnings telling folks to just 
>> sit tight, and if they are without power, call the power company 
>> (repeatedly) until power is restored.  Then every 15 minutes, they 
>> read off the list of phone numbers for the 8 utility companies in the 
>> area.
>> Then they get hysterical women on the phone complaining just 6 hours 
>> into the storm why the city had not plowed their street.  And why the 
>> power company is so heartless to leave them without power..  And why 
>> THEIR power is not being addressed immediately (not caring about the 
>> other 250,000 homes, hospitals, and emergency services without power).
>> THen the media get these "experts" on the phone to warn people without 
>> power to "wear mittens, and a hat, and if needed, wrap up in a 
>> blanket", but dont use a gas stove, or emergency generator, or fire in 
>> your fireplace, etc... because you could hurt or kill  yourswelf.  ad 
>> nauseum. NOT ONE HINT of "get out there, and shovel YOURSELF out, and 
>> HELP your neighbor, and CLEAR the street so emergency personnel and 
>> the power company can get to where they need to go!
>> The approach of just sit in your cold house on your hands, and dial 
>> the power company emergency number until power is restored is just not 
>> my way of living.
>> Bob Bruninga, Wb4APR
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