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[aprssig] New Symbol for FILL-IN digis?

Bob Bruninga bruninga at usna.edu
Mon Oct 10 23:53:45 UTC 2011


OK, Here is the info on all the "T" digis that I can figure:

Most of the "T" digis are in Greece or Italy and they indicate they are using TRACEn-N.  These are the remanants of the holdouts for TRACEn-N in Europe.  Europe went to the New-N paradigm several years ago (Traceable WIDEn-N).  So these stations should change.

What's left are 12 obsolete digis in he USA.  of all of these 12, ten of them are simply obsolete and are advertising WIDE-RELAY-TRACE which has been obsolete since 2004.  These digis are doing nothing to help APRS.  Here are the USA ones that appear to be misconfigured:

NJ:  K3JF-15, KB2TSV-15, K3JF-15
NYC: K2MAK
FL:  AA4QI-1
TN:  W4AFXO, WA4KJH-7
CA:  N6OEI-10,KA6DAC-9
MN:  N0QK-1
PA:  N3NRI-2
OK:  W5GPR-4
IL:  K4EZ-2
 
Of these only 2 then could be old PACCOMM digis trying to support the New-N paradigm, since all the rest of them indicate W-R-T as obsolete, or indicate WIDEn-N and SSn-N support but are using the wrong letter.

Bob, WB4APR


---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:11:27 -0400 (EDT)
>From: aprssig-bounces at tapr.org (on behalf of "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga at usna.edu>)
>Subject: [aprssig] New Symbol for FILL-IN digis?  
>To: aprssig at tapr.org
>
>Generally we have three New-N paradigm DIGI types:
>
>"S" type support: WIDEn-N and SSn-N
>"1" type support: WIDE1-1 only
>??? several legacy types such as "T" Paccoms
>
>But F8ARO suggests that a fill-in could also support the less used path of SSn-N and TEMPn-N without adding normal QRM to the channel but that it could help out at other times.
>
>I think this is a good idea.  And the name of such a fill-in digipeater that supports 1-1, TEMPn-N and SSn-N woiuld best be identified by the overlay "T".  But "T" is already in use by about 35 digipeaters in the world.  But I suspect that many of these are NOT Legacy PACCOMMM's and are just using the "T" for "trace" which is obsolete.
>
>I do not hafve time to research this, but if anyone on this list would like to contact these digi owners and see if any of them are old Legacy PacComms and let us konw.  That use of "T" was proposed in 2004 as a way to mark these old obslete digis until they could be replaced.
>
>It is now time to move on.
>
>So lets root out any old PacComms and see if any still exist.  And if not, then we can move on and re-use the overlay "T" for this new more capable fill-in.
>
>Here is the global list of existing "T" digis.  Lets find out about each one and identify the PacOComm's (the only valid use of "T" to date.
>
>Here is the FINDU.COM list of all existing "T" digis:
>http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/symbol.cgi?icon=Tpound&limit=200
>
>If you can find out about these, let me know.
>
>Bob, WB4APR
>
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