[aprssig] BRRRAAAPS and listening

Earl Needham earl.kd5xb at gmail.com
Fri Oct 21 10:12:25 CDT 2011

So Bob, what do I do when I'm in an area where digis will NOT repeat my packets with less than 400 mS TXD?  Do I lengthen my TXD for that area, and waste time when I'm in other areas?  Or just the opposite?

I might also point out that there is a fairly large area west of about Abilene, TEXAS where RELAY,WIDE seems to still be in use.  Kinda odd.

Vy 7 3
KD5XB -- Earl Needham http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT Posted via Blackberry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga at usna.edu>
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Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:27:33 
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Subject: [aprssig] BRRRAAAPS and listening

Sometimes I get the feeling that few people listen to the APRS channel now
and then to hear what is going on.  There is a lot to be learned just by

For example..  If you hear


You are hearing a 50% wasted channel, because all the BRRRRRR's at the
beginning are just TXD delay.  The AAAAAP on the end is the actual APRS
data. The data in an APRS Mic-E packet lasts typically 1/2 second.  If the
TXD is 500 ms, then channel capacity in THAT ENTIRE AREA is suffering a 50%
loss in channel capacity.

Typically, we can operate with TXD's of about 150 ms.  PLEASE everyone,
listen in your area and fix any digipeater that is blathering all this
wasted bandwidth!

This also applies to your own station.  Kenwoods used to come with a default
of 500ms which was unbelievably long.  Please check your settings and
permanently re-configure to 200 or 150 ms.

A packet should sound more like:


But the most important setting is the DIGIPEATERS!  Because they impact
EVERY SINGLE PACKET in the area.  Fixing them with minimum TXD can have a
nearly doubling of channel capacity.  Fixing one LID's mobile setting is
only going to change the area load by 1%...

FIX THE DIGIS.  And also make sure they are providing the local area
repeater frequency object in the local area as well while you have the
SYSOPS attention...


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