[aprssig] Radio Pirates

Dave dave at g8kbv.demon.co.uk
Mon Jan 16 06:51:35 CST 2012

Gues you meant to type 146.10/146.70

They  must have been working split, or had a repeater on board.  Probably 
the latter at a guess, hence the "considerable expense" replacing it all!

It's not a UK/EU Amateur allocation (our 2m band only goes from 144 to 
146MHz over hear) so they could indeed be OK to use this side of the 
pond, but yes, it was the shipping co's foul up, obviously not specifying 
they would be used worldwide, not just arround the UK/EU.

There is also extensive Russian/Eastern European Taxi, Courier and 
similar FM activity on the 10m band at present.  From the signal levels, 
running some power too.


Dave G0WBX.

On 15 Jan 2012 at 18:34, Glenn Little WB4UIV wrote:

> In the mid 1970s we started receiving interference on a 164.10/146.70
> MHz amateur repeater. This occurred about daybreak and the voices had
> a British accent. This occurred a few times a week. After listening
> for a while it was determined that these were ship board radios used
> for line handling while maneuvering a ship, with tugs, in the port. A
> call to port operations got an identity of the ships moving at that
> time. There was one common owner. All for their ship were registered
> in Great Britain. A call to the FCC yielded the answer that this way a
> ham frequency, I was a ham, the ship was an intruder, to contact the
> ship master on my amateur frequency and inform them that this was an
> amateur radio frequency in this country. The FCC stated that they
> would have to get the State Department involved for legal action if
> needed. It turns out that the radios in use were licensed for ITU
> Region 1, not Region 2. It was not long after this that I received a
> somewhat threatening call from the US representative for the ship line
> that I had cost them a substantial amount of money with my complaint.
> They had to change the radios and get new licenses. I told them that
> it was not my problem that they were not in compliance with
> international treaty. That was the last that I heard of them or the
> interference.
> I guess that wrong frequency operation can happen to even the big
> boys.
> 73
> Glenn
> At 03:26 AM 1/15/2012, you wrote:
> >An undesired effect of seemingly "licensed" equipment is use in other
> >countries where people don't understand about licensing and band
> >usage.
> >
> >I'm in the UK and, as the US FRS system became popular, people
> >started bringing handhelds into the UK on holiday. The EU have and
> >equivalent system on different frequencies around 446MHz - Google
> >"PMR446", 462/467MHz are in the general pool of site-specific
> >licensed allocations.
> >
> >Problem was, one of the FRS frequencies was used by Heathrow (London)
> >airport for their fire service repeater and they often got
> >interference from passengers using the radios around the terminal
> >buildings. The repeater had to move frequency.
> >
> >I'm sure the same happens the other way around, so there are likely
> >to be EU visitors operating in the US 70cm band!
> >
> >
> >
> >Jim, G1HUL
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: aprssig-bounces at tapr.org [mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org] On
> >Behalf Of Glenn Little WB4UIV Sent: 15 January 2012 01:07 To: TAPR
> >APRS Mailing List Subject: Re: [aprssig] Radio Pirates
> >
> >On the flip side.. I had an Extra class ham wanting me to help him
> >get rid of some interference on a "secret frequency" that he and his
> >wife used. The secret frequency was a military frequency used by a
> >local military installation. His interference was from the authorized
> >users of the frequency. He came from another state where that
> >frequency was not used. When I asked him why they were using that
> >frequency, the reply was that the radio would go there so it must be
> >ok. This was from an Extra class operator!!!
> >
> >What would you expect from a non technical person using a
> >programmable radio, just keep changing frequencies until you find a
> >clear one.
> >
> >I work for a TV station where we recently went through rebanding of
> >our remote video transmitters as part of the remediation of the
> >Nextel interference problem. Nextel had to move all the TV stations
> >as well as some other users to get a clear area for their digital
> >radios. Wonder why your Nextel bill is so high? The replacement
> >radios that we got were agile radios made by BMS. By agile, I do not
> >mean channel agile, I mean frequency agile. These radios will tune
> >into the 2.4 GHz ham band. It will be just a matter of time before
> >the seven BAS frequencies will not be enough and a TV station Chief
> >Engineer will have one of these on a ham frequency. The Chief
> >Engineer does not hold any type of a license.
> >
> >
> >73
> >Glenn
> >
> >
> >
> >At 03:03 PM 1/14/2012, you wrote:
> > >Amateur Radio is largely self-policed. Anyone can buy an
> > >automobile, but it is illegal to operate on the highway without a
> > >license. This is fairly well policed in most jurisdictions. The FCC
> > >doesn't have lots of folks driving around in cars checking out
> > >folks with HTs. We let each other know about these situations
> > >because most folks who have buttons to push will push them, PTT
> > >included. I doubt the flea market vendor instructed each customer
> > >as to the restrictions imposed on the various frequencies the
> > >device could access, if the vendor was even aware themself.
> > >
> > >Mike Galgano
> > >KB7PUX
> > >
> > >Joshua Shriver wrote:
> > >
> > >>Curious but what is exactly wrong with this? Anyone (non-hams) can
> > >>buy a ham radio. It's just illegal to broadcast without a license.
> > >>
> > >>-Josh
> > >>
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