[aprssig] ICOM ID 51A HT

Steve Dimse steve at dimse.com
Wed Mar 27 17:05:35 CDT 2013


Sorry, my fault. Bob should have also trademarked "Bob" for use on the APRS SIG ;-)

Steve K4HG

On Mar 27, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Pat Cook wrote:

> STEVE - Wrong Bob.  You're refeerring to Bob Bruninga, WB4APR I'm referring to (and was replying to) Bob Burns, W9BU.  Unless Bob has changed name & call, they're NOT & the same :-) *LOL!*
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> That out of the way, yes there are interoperability issues between APRS & D-STAR **BUT** it's not like they are projects underway to address them.  
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> In the meantime, I think Steve hit the nail on the head more accurately.  Right now, it is an Apples & Oranges comparison HOWEVER I think as radios like the D-51A become more and more commonly available & used, the demand to integrate APRS & D-STAR together via DPRS will only increase.  It's just the natural progression of things :-)  Until then, there'll only be limited functionality between the two (Messaging & such which APRSDroid is already capable of)
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> Cheers & 73 :-)
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> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Amateur Radio WB8NUT <duffy at wb8nut.com> wrote:
> As I understand it as a user of both DStar and APRS, DPRS is simply a gateway of the position information from a DStar radio to the APRS network. DPRS is NOT APRS. 
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> DPRS does not support APRS messaging and you cannot at this time at least, take information from APRS back into the DStar network. In fact, I am not sure you would want to do that anyway.
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> DPRS does what it is supposed to do and it works fine for what it is, but DPRS is clearly not APRS. Apples and oranges comparison.
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> Duffy
> www.wb8nut.com
>> 	Steve Dimse	March 27, 2013 4:18 PM
>> Actually, you are dead wrong here. APRS is a registered trademark owned by Bob. If he says something isn't APRS, then it isn't APRS. Period.
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>> It isn't just semantics and legalese. Bob has been very generous with allowing people to use the trademark, however he does require some interoperability. DStar's implementation does not have that interoperability, and there should not be called APRS. If DPRS were to become fully interoperable with APRS they might find themselves in a position to be blessed by Bob, but make no mistake, if Bob doesn't say it is APRS then it is not APRS.
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>> 	Pat Cook	March 27, 2013 4:08 PM
>> Bob - To say that DPRS isn't APRS simply isn't (At least entirely) true.  D-STAR, like APRS, is also built on RF.  The only difference is D-STAR is DIGITAL RF while APRS is ANALOG RF !!  Nevertheless, it's STILL RF (That's a point that also needs to be reinforced).
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>> Now turning to DPRS - Sounds to me like those who are working behind the scenes still have yet to find a way to bridge the gap between the two.  As a result, those who aren't "In the know" (MYSELF INCLUDED) are left giving thoughts & opinions which may not even be REMOTELY CLOSE to something resembling knowledgeable about how the two interface & interact with one another
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>> And we wonder why most people don't bother with Ham Radio?  LOOK AT US !!!  Most people who aren't the least bit interested in Ham Radio wouldn't even mess with a mode of communications like this
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>> Getting off the soapbox, I think I'm gonna have to seek input from those within the D-STAR community as well since they have D-STAR radios.  I say this because the vast majority of people here (Or at least SOME people here as I said before) DO NOT even own a D-STAR radio (Some probably don't even consider to be "Real" radio, even though that's a myth).  As such, they're offering so-called "Expert" information on a radio using technology THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT !!!  That (As I also said before) isn't very useful
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>> It'll likely be more ACCURATE too
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>> Again, NOT trying to bite the hands feeding me BUT there's nothing useful about someone posting information on something when they (Likely) know NEXT TO NOTHING about that something.  Not very productive or useful.  Again just saying.....
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>> Cheers & 73 :-)
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>> 	Pat Cook	March 27, 2013 3:38 PM
>> Well I got the external TNC so that's no problem.  However if the local D-STAR repeater has software that allows for APRS-like packets to be sent via D-PRS, then TXing those packets shouldn't be a problem IF it's installed properly by the trustee of the repeater, control operator and/or the technical crew so therefore, I fail to see how "Kerchunking" the repeater would somehow be frowned upon since it wouldn't be detectable anyway & would be well within the norm
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>> Let's seperate the wheat from the chaffe a bit here.....
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>> Sounds like *Some* people on here don't know much about D-STAR & how it operates & probably need to learn (Others OTOH on here DO).  Not knocking anybody or biting the hands feeding me BUT if you're NOT informed or educated on D-STAR & how D-STAR radios operate & integrate with APRS, PLEASE move on.  You're not helping things any.  I'm not educated much on either BUT am interested in learning before buying my next radio.  Just saying...... :-)
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>> Cheers & 73 :-)
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>> EchoLink Node No. 19905 (LINK COMING SOON - 147.465 Mhz. Simplex/100.0 Hz PL)
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