[aprssig] Mobile Off-Air Display

Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) ldeffenb at homeside.to
Tue Aug 11 06:25:19 CDT 2015


I also use a Nuvi-350 paired with a D700 in one vehicle and a Nuvi 1490 
paired with a T3-135 embedded in an Alinco DR-135 in another.

One answer to "why" is it allows Net Control to create an incident 
object, transmit it over the air (and/or the APRS-IS in this case) and 
it will show up on the attached GPS (or APRSdroid screen) allowing the 
dispatched support vehicle to navigate directly to the incident if 
necessary.

Seeing the object on a map with "ME" closing in on it is far better 
feedback (IMHO) than getting a description of the location and trying to 
figure out your own way to get there.

Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 8/10/2015 6:48 PM, Charles Doughtie via aprssig wrote:
>  I agree with "why?".
>
> There are club events here using APRS also. There are usually internet 
> monitors at race and net control and other fixed locations. Mobiles 
> transferred to provided vehicles mostly run basic transmitter only 
> trackers co-ordinated with net control, etc. They are connected with 
> the transferred radio to the vehicle battery, leads secured with 
> "duck" tape, use mag antennas, etc. I use a TM-D700 and Garmin NUVI-350.
>
> de Charlie, N5EXY, Grid EM10fl,
> South Suburban Greater Hutto
> I'm lost - where am I?  http://www.aprs.fi/n5exy-9
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Eric Lorenz K9LGE via aprssig <aprssig at tapr.org>
>     *To:* TAPR APRS Mailing List <aprssig at tapr.org>;
>     Backforty at blandranch.net; Charles Bland <root at blandranch.net>
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 5:28 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [aprssig] Mobile Off-Air Display
>
>     Hi Charles,
>     I have been reading all the replies to your question with
>     interest, but kept coming back with a question of my own...why?
>     (For some background, for the last 10 years I have been involved
>     with the ADA Tour de Cure/Chicago bike event, the last 5 as
>     Communications & Safety chair)
>     You didn't explain, but I am guessing that your SAG vehicles will
>     cover pre-determined areas of the course, and that you have a net
>     control operator(s) that are coordinating operations. While it is
>     a nice idea, if it was me...I want my ops keeping situational
>     awareness of what's going on in their area (i.e., what's happening
>     outside their vehicle). They really don't need to know what's
>     going on over the rest of the course- that's the job of net
>     control (and whoever may be helping them). You are really adding
>     more complexity than necessary to their job. They can't be
>     watching for issues if they are studying another screen...
>     Hope this helps,
>     Eric K9LGE
>
>
>     On Aug 10, 2015 2:44 PM, "Charles Bland via aprssig"
>     <aprssig at tapr.org <mailto:aprssig at tapr.org>> wrote:
>
>         Dallas,
>
>         You did nail it that this is a RX-only requirement. We already
>         have trackers on the cars.
>
>         I had forgot about APRSDroid. That may indeed be a viable
>         solution.
>
>         Thanks, Dallas, and to everyone else that has chimed-in.
>
>         Chuck
>
>         On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Dallas Clements via aprssig
>         <aprssig at tapr.org <mailto:aprssig at tapr.org>> wrote:
>
>             Chuck,
>             Several options have been shared so far to help you with
>             your bike race. I've used AvMap, WinBooks, Bluetooth TNCs,
>             and soft TNCs. All have their merits, but if you're
>             looking for something that will be less expensive to
>             procure for multiple assistance vehicles and rest stops,
>             I'd recommend simply hooking an Android tablet or phone
>             via audio cable to a HT. The app APRSDroid has a
>             connection protocol labeled "AFSK via Speaker/Mic" that
>             will decode the received packets heard on the radio and
>             overlay them on a map on the Android device's screen. The
>             option to use an Offline Street Map is there and with the
>             device's built in GPS, you know where you are in relation
>             to the objects that you're receiving.
>             Simple. Inexpensive.
>             If you wanted to transmit, too, I'd recommend a more
>             capable radio than a HT, but it sounds like you're just
>             trying to bring situational awareness to more people. That
>             being the case, the wattage of the device is irrelevant.
>             Depending on your peer group, it's not hard to find people
>             who have an older Android device gathering dust in their
>             home from the last upgrade cycle or two. That leaves your
>             cost at $4.99 for the app and whatever money you spend
>             making cables. I'm assuming finding HTs and mag mount
>             antennas to borrow will also not be a problem within your
>             local club.
>             This setup that I'm describing is the entry level APRS rig
>             that we use to get new amateurs in our club exposed to
>             APRS. After they use it for a few weeks, they tend to
>             upgrade to something with more transmit power. However,
>             for your purposes, it may be ideal.
>             Here's the "how-to" we wrote for our club. It has a wiring
>             diagram for Wouxun, Baofeng, and some Kenwood HTs.
>             http://www.wcares.org/?page_id=2677
>             Dallas Clements
>             K7DCC
>
>
>                 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>                 From: Charles Bland <root at blandranch.net
>                 <mailto:root at blandranch.net>>
>                 To: aprssig at tapr.org <mailto:aprssig at tapr.org>
>                 Cc:
>                 Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:25:00 -0700
>                 Subject: [aprssig] Mobile Off-Air Display
>                 I'd like to get the latest opinion from this group
>                 about putting together a simple mobile APRS display
>                 solution.
>
>                 Our local club does a couple of bike events each year.
>                 We have an ad-hoc network to support our trackers over
>                 the course area. I have been turning my attention
>                 toward broader use of the info. For example, our rest
>                 stops now have displays, and we run a Public Info
>                 table so that we can make event participants aware of
>                 what we do and how we do it.
>
>                 I am now turning my attention to our radio operators
>                 in the sag wagons. For insurance purposes, the bike
>                 club provides the cars and drivers. The radio op rides
>                 shotgun, using a Go-Box that has battery assist so
>                 that the cigarette lighter adapter isn't doing the
>                 heavy TX lifting and can be shared for other uses.
>
>                 I'd like to have simple, non-transmitting display
>                 setup so that the operator can "look" around the
>                 course as he has need. I'm not sure where to start
>                 looking for commercial solutions, if there are any at
>                 all. I also have been wondering, given the abundance
>                 of R-PI hardware, if a R-PI and display would be
>                 enough to run something like YACC. A simple RX and
>                 antenna would be enough, and the package could be
>                 small enough to occupy little of the precious space in
>                 the vehicle and not pose a safety issue. Even nicer if
>                 it could be on the dash.
>
>                 So, what do you folks know? How would you approach
>                 such a requirement?
>
>                 Chuck
>                 NA6BR
>
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