[aprssig] IGATE message routing bug?

Kenneth Finnegan kennethfinnegan2007 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 19 14:57:54 CST 2016

This "Rx-only Igates are breaking APRS" rhetoric is problematic; I've had
several of my users tell me that they used to operate Rx-only I-gates with
scanners or old mobile rigs with blown PAs, until they saw something online
telling them that Rx-only I-gates are an active harm to the APRS network,
at which point they do what seems like the sensible thing and dismantle
their I-gate and e-waste the radio. Did we really mean to tell them that no
I-gate is better than an Rx-gate? Having read most of the "Rx-only I-gates
are evil" posts, even I can't tell if that's what some of the original
authors meant or not.

We've been doing a very poor job of effectively communicating the
advantages and disadvantages of Rx-only I-gates to the public, and they're
getting very confused because of it.

Kenneth Finnegan

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:32 PM, <steve at dimse.com> wrote:

> > On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Randy Love <rlove31 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why don't you start by going around to every every RX only IGate
> operator and convincing them that they it is wrong to not have a two-way
> IGate? If the only Igate in an area is RX only, that definately breaks the
> system.
> >
> This is the perfect example of why having a central authority is not
> workable.
> Having a one way IGate as the only one one in an area is only bad for one
> reason, which is that someone who might be willing to set up a two way
> IGate does not do it because he thinks there already is one. But this does
> not break the system. Local operators need to coordinate their IGates, not
> have standards enforced from a venerated few.
> There are legit reasons to have one way IGates. Chief among them is that a
> US IGate operator is putting his license and/or financial well-being on the
> line. I converted my IGate to one way on the day Dale Heatherington
> released the verification algorithm in aprsd. From that day forward the
> Part 97 exemption for safe haven is an automatic message forwarding system
> no longer applied. The risk of action is relatively low, but definitely
> non-zero.
> I think it is self-evident that having a one-way IGate is better than
> having none. If you are trying to force out one way IGates, you are saying
> your opinion is more important than others. I have fought long and hard for
> the APRS Internet System to be an inclusive place. If some hams only feel
> comfortable one-way gating, they can still play.
> Steve K4HG
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