[aprssig] It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines

Mark Cheavens mcheavens at usa.net
Sat Dec 16 08:39:03 CST 2017


Ev,
Not true.
A. Cell get the power inductively from the lines.
B. Site to site is using the power lines as 60g waveguide
C. Site to home/business endpoint is via 5g.

Without the "wires" they would not have the 60g waveguide, nor would 
they have a source for inductive power.

Mark
KC5EVE
On 12/16/2017 4:46 AM, Ev Tupis wrote:
> In a nutshell, these are simply femto-cells that are linked to 
> eachother via and RF backbone.  No reliance on wires at all.  The only 
> association that they have to power lines is that they are co-located 
> on utility poles. -Ev
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017, 8:12:07 PM EST, Gregg Wonderly 
> <gregg at wonderly.org> wrote:
>
>
> I mean microwave and up high frequencies.  It sounds like 60g based on 
> the other reply.  If so, then high power wave guide binding to the 
> copper wire would be possible and it would be extremely clean of RFI 
> it would seem.
>
> Gregg
>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 7:02 PM, noskosteve at yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:noskosteve at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> There's no guarantee that journalist knows that high frequency means HF.
>>
>> Regards, Steve Noskowicz K9DCI
>> Science & Technical Advisor
>>
>> From my tablet.
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From:Gregg Wonderly
>> Sent:Fri, 15 Dec 2017 18:50:46 -0600
>> To:Brian Webster
>> Cc:aprssig at tapr.org <mailto:aprssig at tapr.org>
>> Subject:Re: [aprssig] It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines
>>
>> That is not what I see. The first part of the article talks 
>> specifically about high frequency signals over copper wire. If they 
>> go high enough in frequency, the radiation into the atmosphere will 
>> be short lived, and the can use higher voltages to get longer 
>> distances. The second part of the article talks about additional work 
>> on using RF to the home instead of physical fiber so that they can 
>> maintain their work within the right-of-ways and not have to run 
>> anything physical to your home, where trees and other debris end up 
>> destroying services in weather events.
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>> > On Dec 14, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Brian Websterwrote:
>> >
>> > This is not BPL, they are just mounting radios above the power 
>> space on utility lines. They are not modulating any signals over the 
>> power grid.
>> >
>> > Thank You,
>> > Brian N2KGC
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: aprssig [mailto:aprssig-bounces at tapr.org] On Behalf Of Nick 
>> VA3NNW
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:26 AM
>> > To:aprssig at tapr.org <mailto:aprssig at tapr.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [aprssig] It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines
>> >
>> > Stephen H. Smith wrote:
>> >> [...] AT&T begins testing high-speed internet over power lines [...]
>> >>>> igh-speed-internet-over-power-lines-idUSKBN1E70GB>
>> >
>> >Honestly? Can't kill this zombie? I thought fibre to the home was 
>> finally going to put this one to bed - you can push far more 
>> bandwidth down a glass pipe than a copper one anyway, with far less 
>> interference to OR FROM people like us, emergency services, radio 
>> astronomy, etc, not to mention better EMP resiliency.
>> >
>> >Perhaps FTTH isn't easy enough to wiretap? :-(
>> >
>> >Nick VA3NNW
>> >
>> >--
>> >"Nosey" Nick Waterman, VA3NNW/G7RZQ, K2 #5209.
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>> >Sauron is alive in Argentina!
>> >
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