[aprssig] Appalachian Golden Packet Battery Report

Robert Bruninga bruninga at usna.edu
Sat Jul 15 22:18:50 CDT 2017


Ran the entire ATGP event with a D710G on high power from about 1100 to
maybe 1500 and used maybe under 6 AHrs of battery (estimate).  First D-cell
3 AH NiCd pack died about half way through.  But sun came out and second
one was still going strong to the end (with maybe 1A coming in from solar).

But I also had a TESLA Lithium battery pack in reserve.  Here is the
background I posted a day ago on APRSSIG...

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:06 PM, I wrote:

> Lesson re-learned on NiCd charging:  Several years ago I made three 12v
> batteries from ten D cell NiCd’s each.
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> They have been a huge disappointment.  I have tried to use them at GD hill
> and occasionally once or twice a year on critical field work and they
> always fail far earlier than estimates.  But I had always just charged them
> the night before with a fixed voltage charge of 14 volts since I most often
> forget about batteries I put on charge and end up ruining most of them.
> Charging at fixed voltage is safe…(but apparently useless for NiCd's!  See
> below)
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> For the AT Golden Packet event, I left them on my usual 14 volt overnight
> charge and they were “fully charged” by morning, only drawing a 50 mAh each
> in the morning at 14 volts..
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> But to test them, I put them on a battery analyzer at work and their
> capacities came in at 10%, 8% and 3%!  No wonder they have been so useless!
> Then the battery analyzer quick charged them at 1C rate for 1 hour with
> them getting up to 17 and 18 volts while pushing in the charge current,
> then a 4 hour equalization charge of 0.1C or 400 mA.
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> Then he analyzer retested them and got 75%, 65% and 85% of rated
> capacity!  Just in one charge, but that took most of the day and so I took
> them home and planned on using them for the event anyway.
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> So, Apparently little-used NiCd’s are not going to get a good charge from
> a FIXED voltage charge!  Duh....
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> Wish I had time to cycle them two more times.  On batteries at work we see
> huge recoveries from little used NiCd’s when “rejuvenated” which is the 3
> cycles of charge and discharge I started with above.
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Then I did the same test with several 7 and 8 AH Sealed Lead Acids.  They
were coming in at around 50, 60 and 68% rated capacity.  SO they actually
had more capacity than the NiCd's.  So, next I weighed them all and found
out quickly that the Leads were coming in at under 1 Ah per kg, the NiCd's
were coming in at over 2 Ah per kg even with their not-full capacity.

Next I found some TESLA Lithium cells like the ones used in the Tesla Model
S. (Actually, of course these are just cells from a laptop) and so I found
12 of them and spent more time than I had available cobbling together a 6
AH lithium pack.  Was astonished to see it come in at nearly 10 AH per kg!
But the problem is, I have never used Lithium before and an initial test
showed their thermal cutouts would cut out immediately on 7A draw  (D710 on
high power needs maybe 10A?) so I decided I could not use Lithiums directly
but could use them in parallel to keep the NiCd's up.  Turns out, the
rejuvenated NiCd's worked fine and so I didn't have to use the lithums...

But, NEXT year, Ill change out the thermal cutouts and go lithium for me!
That will cut battery weight in the backpack to only 20% of what we have
used in the past.

Oh, 4 in series gives 16v, so I put three 10A diodes in series to bring
that down to 14v for the pack.

A nice spinoff of EV's!

Maybe by next year I will also have an EV trail bike to ride to the top of
the hill too...

Bob, WB4APR
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