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dubose at texas.net dubose at texas.net
Fri Nov 5 17:46:43 UTC 2004

I'm just sorry that power companies and the government didn't push for fiber
along side each power line...you could have telephone, HDTV, highspeed Internet,
and many future expanded services.  

If what I see is true in the local area, some telephone companies are replacing
their copper with fiber and new telecommunications are putting in fiber in rural

Also, with reference to BPL, as individual hams learn more about it, I think you
will find hams many miles...even hundreds of miles away from BPL transmission
lines hearing the BPL signals on HF.  I can't forget copying the CW signal from
downunder from a transmitter/oscillator created using a tunnel diode.  Less than
10mw of signal and copied here in the U.S.  

IMHO, using Part 15 WiFi for commercial distribution of Internet services is
much like companies building their 2-way commercial radio systems on 11 meter
CB...in the end it just isn't good enough to solve the problem.  Today you see
few businesses using 11 meter CB as a business radio...I believe that in a few
years you will see the same happening with commercial distribution of Internet
services using Part 15 equipment.

The 11 meter CB experimant failed and took away a great band from amateru radio
operators.  I am glad that at least we still have 2.4-2.45 GHz so that when
commercial use of the band fails, at least we will still have the frequencies.


> BPL isn't a negotiable situation where people can just decide to 'share' 
> the frequency.  A chunk of property at 2.4ghz is less of significance than 
> the people that are trying to do low-power work on the 2-80mhz HF 
> chunk.  The signal goes a lot further and penetrates a lot more places in 
> the HF than up in microwave allocations.  It's probably still relatively 
> easy to find 80mhz of continuous bandwidth up in the microwave allocations 
> too.  That 2-80mhz spectrum is prime real-estate for transcontinental 
> communications.  I don't think residential Internet needs it, and it's a 
> bad use of spectrum.
> I think WIFI and MANs in the upper allocations are the way to get fast 
> network access to rural areas.  As a matter of fact, I'd love some 
> free-for-all high speed wireless solutions in the 900mhz.  There has been a 
> long issue of obstructions preventing network access for everyone.  This 
> would be a proper way to give the public more options.
> I think these people experimenting with WIFI hardware will perhaps have 
> interest in becoming ham operators and exploring radio technology outside 
> the scope of off-the-shelf solutions.  The 'free for all' should have 
> limits, however, and realism should be weighed.  I don't think the current 
> wave of the FCC has much interest in the public and would sell every single 
> allocation if they could.
> The frequency use has to match the job you're trying to accomplish.  2.4ghz 
> and 900mhz largely works because it permits cohabitation because of small 
> directional footprints as well as more available continuous spectrum 
> chunks.  Stuffing these things on far-reaching frequency allocations is not 
> the solution, it's the start of a problem.
> Just my thoughts.
> --Droo, K1XVM
> At 09:04 AM 11/5/2004, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >forwarded
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Brian Webster" <bwebster at wirelessmapping.com>
> >To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization" <wireless at wispa.org>
> >Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 5:27 AM
> >Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [Ham-80211] Access control suggestions
> >
> >
> > > Marlon,
> > > The problem with most hams is that they don't have any clue how much
> > > spectrum is worth these days and the pressures of commercial demand for
> > > spectrum. Having been in the commercial wireless industry for or 15 years,
> >I
> > > have been beating my head against the wall trying to convince my fellow
> >hams
> > > that the FCC will always make their decisions based on the benefit of the
> > > most Americans they are supposed to represent. The BPL situation is a
> > > perfect example. Hams have a lot of spectrum and don't create any jobs or
> > > tax revenue with it. Slowly the ham radio community demographics are
> > > changing and you should see an ability for them to co-exist with other
> > > services once all the olds ideas and notions fade away.
> > > My personal option is you open all the spectrum up for a free for all and
> > > just give different services a time slot instead......between frequency
> > > hopping and/or spread spectrum things could be used much more efficiently.
> > > But that would negate the ability for the government to create auctions
> >and
> > > sell the laws of physics. This in my opinion is why software defined
> >radios
> > > are being fought. Think of the idea of a carriers spectrum being made
> > > instantly worthless because a SDR radio can just hop anywhere to open
> > > frequencies in any mode. I can't wait for those days. Ok off my soapbox
> >now
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Brian Webster N2KGC
> > > 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> > > Cooperstown, NY 13326
> > > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> > >
> > > (607) 286-3465 Home
> > > (607) 435-3988 Mobile
> > > (208) 692-1898 Fax
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