OT [Ham-80211] Re: ham-80211 Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2

[Jeff King]

Point taken Rick. 

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:02:47 -0700, Rick Fletcher, KG6IAL wrote:
>One correction on your WWII history: "White looking German/Italians"
>were not left alone.  Many were deported, losing everything, and
>many were also incarcerated for their own "protection" or due to
>concerns that they might be aiding the enemy.  It is a myth that
>only the Japanese were impacted by the war.  Another point of
>history that isn't often covered is that the U.S. Supreme Court
>ruled that these actions were constitutional given the nature of the
>conflict.
>
>I'm not making any judgments here - only reporting historical fact.
>If we can't stay on topic, let's at least be accurate.
>
>Rick
>
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>-----Original Message----- From: ham-80211-bounces at lists.tapr.org
>[mailto:ham-80211-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of Jeff King
>Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:40 PM To: TAPR Mailing List for
>Ham Radio Use of 802.11 Subject: Re: OT [Ham-80211] Re: ham-80211
>Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2
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>Good well thought out post Gulluame, just a few comments.
>
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>On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 15:17:18 -0400, Guillaume Filion wrote:
>>From: "Jeff King" <jeff at aerodata.net> wrote:
>>>That much being said, I'm well aware of the current sad state of
>>>affairs
>....
>
>>I'm not sure what it has to do with 802.11 and HAMs but I'll bite.
>
>Not much, other then the embedded attitudes toward 802.11b war
>driving. Frankly, as a hobby here in the U.S., many in our defacto
>leadership "The ARRL" really sets a very bad tone for amateur radio
>by cozing up to the government and asking for entitlements from
>"homeland security' and other paramilitary government organizations.
>I'd much rather see a (amateur radio) organization more independent,
>more outspoken, and more concerned about our rights as opposed to
>getting government entitlements. It breeds an atmosphere of
>acceptance and defeat.
>
>(which, to keep this on topic, and to its credit, TAPR has
>occasionally spoken out against and supported freedom and
>advancement in amateur radio... and don't get me wrong, I largely
>support the ARRL, but the bulk of its membership are not interested
>in the technical aspects of radio... or so it seems to me)
>
>As to the rest, I've got a few comments, but totally not amateur
>radio at this point.
>
>>I think that the present situation in the US is a "transient state"
>> caused by the terrorists attacks of 2001. You can see examples of
>>this in every war; for example, during WW2, asians living in the US
>>and Canada were put into camps in fear that they would work for the
>>ennemy.
>
>Yeap, those funny looking Asian-Americans where put in the camps,
>where as the white looking German/Italians where left to run around.
>A comment later on your "war' statement.
>
>>These days, we can see a roughly similar situation with the arabs
>>living in the US; they are not put into camps but are searched and
>>inspected more than they would if they were'nt arabs.
>
>I'm a old WASP (White Anglo Saxen). I've had quite a few run-in's
>with the TSA idiots working security at the airports already. You
>offended them, or question their right to search you,  out come the
>rubber gloves and the guy with the gun starts to stare you down. I
>guess alot of old white guys have been stealing planes in Detroit.
>
>
>>Things should be getting back to normal ("permanent state") in a
>>couple
>
>>years if there are no more attacks.
>
>And you made the analogy earlier:
>
>>"You can see examples of this in every war"
>
>Ahhh... the "War on Terrorism"  Problem with that is, as a student
>of history, terrorism in some way shape or form has been with us for
>1000's of years.
>
>So in effect, if "Terrorism is war" then what we end up with is a
>Permanent War, aka George Orwell's novell 1984. See:
>http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/6243 for some more
>discussion on this.
>
>>It's the security paradox, if the CIA/FBI/etc are effective in
>>stopping attacks, thing will go back to normal and the govn't will
>>cut the CIA/FBI/etc funding and reduce their powers.
>
>I don't have the figures at my finger tips, but the government grew
>immensely (as it should have) during World War 2. Yet at the
>conclusion of the war, it never came near its pre-war size, and only
>continued to grow bigger.
>
>Historically, this reduction in size, once government gets its
>fingers in, is unlikely to happen.
>
>>Note that I'm not stating an opinion of this behavior, I'm just
>>associating facts; I'm personally not sure what to think about
>>this.
>
>Stay in Canada?  ;-)
>
>Well, just kidding, I  consider myself a patriot and why this topic
>hit my hot button. To the U.S. hams, their is an alternative to
>Twiddle Dee and
>
>Twiddle Dumb, take this political test:
>http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html then if your curious, look
>here: http://www.lp.org/
>
>
>
>>73 and have a good week-end, GFK's
>
>You too....
>
>-Jeff
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