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[Ham-80211] Continental & Logan

Gerry Creager N5JXS gerry.creager at tamu.edu
Wed Aug 31 14:23:46 UTC 2005


I've sorta stayed out of this one, but I'm hampered here by having spent 
more time at Logan recently when I had flights cancelled, than I wanted 
to...

I suspect, based on the wireless performance I saw from both systems, 
that the Logan folks are A) embarrassed and B) concerned that the fact 
that Continental's President's Club installation works while the Logan 
system suffers from a number of security and performance maladies.

In other words, Logan's afraid someone might accidentally get good 
service and expect it the next time through.

I was able to readily sniff "authentications", see credit card IDs, and 
watch complete transactions... at horrid bandwidths (never peaking above 
2Mb/sec, and usually retrying significantly) in the food court area near 
the Continental gates 3 weeks ago.  Signals were good, so it wasn't that 
I was in a bad spot.

On the other hand, when I migrated to the Continental area, signals were 
also good, no credit card numbers were flying (it *is* complementary 
inside there) and bandwidth was stellar.  There weren't a lot of 
retries, and not a lot of junk on the network.

Oh... Did I mention that using a Toshiba E740 as a survey device, I 
didn't see the Continental signal outside their confines?

I suspect Logan just wants to control everything and charge 
Continental's customers for wireless here.

FWIW, I concur with Rich Osman's comments.  Diminishing the signal to 
levels of obscurity would likely knock the wind out of Logan's sails, as 
the signal's already pretty low.

gerry

ki6nj at comcast.net wrote:
> Roy,
> I have no problem receiving that sort of information. in fact I like to 
> be apprised about the real world, but as a countermeasures career 
> specialist in my former life I am somewhat suspicious about the claims 
> of the products.
> 73 Max
>  
> 
>     -------------- Original message --------------
> 
>      >
>      > Here are some products to solve the problem more easily:
>      >
>      > http://www.forcefieldwireless.com/products.html
>      >
>      > I do not work for or sell these products.
>      >
>      > Fred, N5JXO
>      >
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>      > 14231 Tandem Boulevard
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>      >
>      >
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>      >
>      > > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: ham-80211-bounces at lists.tapr.org
>      > [mailto:ham-80211-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf Of KC2MMi
>      > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:26 PM
>      > To: ham-80211 at lists.tapr.org
>      > Subject: [Ham-80211] Continental & Logan
>      >
>      > >From
>      >
>      >http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2213A1.pdf,
>     the
>      > FCC states that Continental alleges the area (louge) is under their
>      > exclusive access and control and therefore Logan must butt out.
>     Seems
>      > like the attorneys on both sides have missed the obvious solution:
>      > Shield the club room! Install shielding in the walls so that
>      > Continental's wifi signals are trapped in the exclusive
>     flyers-club room
>      > and the problem is solved.
>      > Better yet, Continental can assure their members of better
>     security and
>      > ensure that non-members can't steal use of the system either.
>      > > Lawyers. Idiots. Too many of each on both sides of this one! T
>     he basic
>      > issue is whether contract law can speak "against" other rights, and
>      > that's a subject only the courts can and will rule on. (And they
>     have
>      > ruled both ways, and continue to do so.)
>      >
>      > Anyone want to send a couple thousand feet of tin foil to
>     Continental?
>      > And a five-figure consulting fee bill?
>      >
>      >
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