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[Ham-80211] OT??? High power 2.4 GHz rules change

n8cdw at direcway.com n8cdw at direcway.com
Wed May 17 17:24:56 UTC 2006


Hi All

I am new and not sure what you guys are discussing, can someone let me know were I can find information on this subject or maybe give me the the basics?

Thanks Carl


----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Webster <bwebster at wirelessmapping.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:51 pm
Subject: RE: [Ham-80211] OT???  High power 2.4 GHz rules change

> Jeff,
> 	You are right, I stand corrected. Every time I try and quote from 
> memory I
> always miss key points. I agree that the WISP industry should not 
> fight this
> as unlicensed users but am also concerned that they are starting to
> represent a much larger group of users than hams represent now 
> (includingthe end users). The government is constantly under 
> pressure to do what is in
> the best interest to the most people (I know the special interest 
> groups do
> thing to the contrary) so I can see a point where this band could 
> come under
> threat of being taken away from ham's. Your response to Marlon is 
> on the
> money and well presented. I hope that he takes this to the Part-15 
> and WISPA
> lists to help alleviate some of the concerns. Thanks for posting 
> this key
> information to the list, I know Marlon will make good use of it.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Brian N2KGC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeff at aerodata.net [jeff at aerodata.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:39 PM
> To: bwebster at wirelessmapping.com; TAPR Mailing List for Ham Radio 
> Use of
> 802.11
> Cc: TAPR Mailing List for Ham Radio Use of 802.11
> Subject: RE: [Ham-80211] OT??? High power 2.4 GHz rules change
> 
> 
> FYI Brian:
> 
> There currently are no APC limitations on ATV or space comms, 
> unless they
> use spread spectrum, which none to my knowledge currently use. This
> proposal will not require them to use APC. Not disagreeing with your
> opinions, just a point of fact.
> 
> If the WISP's are truly interested in protecting their operations, 
> theyneed to make a proposal that all hams, including ATV and FM 
> repeaters,have to implement APC. Clearly if they take this white 
> elephant on as is,
> this will become clear.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> > Marlon,
> > 	While it would be a good thing for the industry to oppose this 
> to keep it
> > from possibly happening, in all practical senses there are gong 
> to be very
> > few hams ever using this and it would be in limited areas. I 
> have not
> > heard
> > of any planned uses for the high power rules and no projects I 
> am aware of
> > (been a ham for 17 years). One possible use may be in the same 
> use WISP's
> > do
> > but for emergency communications much like what we did with 
> WISPA down in
> > Mississippi after Katrina. There would be the possibility for 
> this use in
> > the Video uses of ham radio but that has very limited use around 
> the US.
> > If
> > you can get a hold of an ARRL repeater directory you might find 
> listings> for
> > ATV (amateur television) repeaters to see who has anything in 
> the band
> > where
> > there would be a more constant use. They may also want to use 
> this for
> > Space
> > communications. This would encompass satellite comms as well as moon
> > bounce
> > experiments (yes they use the moon as a passive repeater). These 
> would be
> > narrow band signals and pointed out in to space not terrestrial 
> comms.> This
> > could create problems for WISP's but on a very local area. I'm 
> really not
> > sure why they are asking for this rule change other than hams 
> are normally
> > more frugal than a WISP and they can get gear to operate in this 
> band from
> > surplus sources but it does not meet the APC requirements. To 
> use the gear
> > would require them to figure out a way to deal with that. That's 
> costs> time,
> > skill and money. Just my thoughts, I'm sure there will be people who
> > disagree with my opinions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Brian Webster N2KGC
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [ooe at odessaoffice.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:04 PM
> > To: towertalk at contesting.com
> > Cc: Principal WISPA Member List; FCC Discussion; Amateur 802.11b 
> Mailing> List
> > Subject: [Ham-80211] OT??? High power 2.4 GHz rules change
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > As I'm sure you guys are aware, HAMs are primary users in about 
> half of
> > the
> > 2.4 gig band.  When using APC you can run very high wattage.  I 
> can't> remember if it's 100 or 1000.  This is for video as I recall.
> >
> > There's a proposal to drop the APC requirement.  As a board 
> member of the
> > Wireless Internet Provider's Association (www.wispa.org) I've 
> been asked
> > to
> > ask for your input on the issue.
> >
> > WISPs, and other license exempt users, are limited (for all 
> practical> purposes) to 4 watts for our broadcast sites.  And much 
> of the gear is
> > contention based, so anything that's always on tends to cause great
> > headaches and gnashing of teeth.
> >
> > We will likely fight this new proposal but wanted input from the HAM
> > community first.
> >
> > Are there people using this ability today?
> >
> > What's it used for?
> >
> > Any plans for more high power 2.4 gig use?
> >
> > Are there any reasons that we shouldn't come out against the 
> proposal to
> > drop the APC requirement?
> >
> > Am I missing anything?  Asking the wrong questions etc?
> >
> > Thanks all!
> > Marlon
> > (509) 982-2181                                   Equipment sales
> > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)                    Consulting services
> > 42846865 (icq)                                    And I run my 
> own wisp!
> > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
> > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
> >
> >
> >
> >
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