[wxsig] wind sensor prob

Thu Mar 1 03:13:16 UTC 2007

Rich,

That's why I finally decided in the rev2 board to hard-wire the power to
the sensors rather than offer the flea-power jumper option. Error rates
drop dramatically - not to mention the speed since the retries are
almost completely eliminated (can only speak for my 1-wire code in the
wxn server - I would imagine the same would hold true for the T-238
firmware).

I removed the temp sensor in the anemomemter assembly to avoid the
confusion on which sensor is which if you have to re-config for whatever
reason. Usually the give-away as to which is which are the high temp
readings that you usually get from the anemometer sensor.

John

On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 17:04 -0600, wn0x at earthlink.net wrote:
> John, 
> 
> I noticed that my error rate dropped to almost nothing once I supplied 5 volts to my X1W Humidity/Temp sensor and used it for temperature.
> 
> Will,  Do you think there would be any value to removing the Temp sensor from the weather head unit if not used?  Does it draw power even if not queried for temperature?
> 
> Rich wn0x/ap006
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: John Yost <k3yjp at yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Feb 28, 2007 4:25 PM
> >To: TAPR Weather Station SIG Mailing List <wxsig at lists.tapr.org>
> >Subject: RE: [wxsig] wind sensor prob
> >
> >Will:
> >
> >Good News.  It works!
> >
> >  Don't know for sure what the problem was but temp,
> >speed and direction are working fine.  I am suppling
> >the +5 to the temp sensor since it does not work
> >without it.  I think it should work without doing
> >that, but I intend to connect a X1W-2v2 Outdoor
> >Humidity and Temperature Sensor for that purpose.
> >
> >Received the DS1994 today and intend to add that
> >directly to the T238, after "programming" it on the
> >pc.
> >
> >The modem is sending packets that I can see in
> >UI-View, but I haven't seen anything show up on any of
> >the APRS activity sites like findu.com.  Not being an
> >APRS person I presume its okay since I did recieve its
> >signal(connected to HTX-202) and that of many others. 
> >Its been connected for a good 24 hours and still no
> >sign of me on findu.
> >
> >Thanks for your help and a terrific project.  And,
> >this 1-wire network is something.  I was surprised at
> >what can be done with it...some projects are swirling
> >in my head.
> >
> >john
> >
> >
> >--- William Beals <will at beals5.com> wrote:
> >
> >> John:
> >> 
> >> Those current numbers look a little suspicious.  The
> >> 1-wire bus and the AAG
> >> sensor are totally powered through a single 1.5K ohm
> >> pullup and a digital
> >> logic "active high" drive.  The only sensor I know
> >> of that requires power
> >> outside that is the BP sensor that does reqire a
> >> dedicated +5V wire.  Maybe
> >> you were measuring microamps?  The voltages on that
> >> bus do vary quite a bit
> >> due to it being both a power bus as well as a data
> >> bus.  If you'd like to
> >> learn more about it, any of the 1-wire device
> >> datasheets has a decent
> >> overview of the protocol, for example
> >>
> >http://datasheets.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/DS1990A-F3-DS1990A-F5.pdf.
> >> 
> >> Good luck on the modem.  The tricky part for that is
> >> getting the audio
> >> levels and keying for your radio.  Other than
> >> general guidelines, I don't
> >> offer much advice in the manuals.  If you do run
> >> into problems post here as
> >> there are quite a few folk who have gone through it
> >> before.
> >> 
> >> I totally understand the frustration!  Having built
> >> my stations quite a
> >> while ago, it has been a while since I've gone
> >> through the hardware
> >> gyrations, but am going through a new project right
> >> now where I've made some
> >> inintended smoke!  It is probably going to take at
> >> least 2-3 weeks to get
> >> "basic life" out of it.  Patience isn't my strong
> >> point.
> >> 
> >> will
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wxsig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> >> [mailto:wxsig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On
> >> Behalf Of John Yost
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:55 PM
> >> To: TAPR Weather Station SIG Mailing List
> >> Subject: RE: [wxsig] wind sensor prob
> >> 
> >> Latest update,
> >> 
> >> The voltages at the processor pins for the 1-wire
> >> bus are the same at the
> >> connector - maybe I wasn't on the right pins before,
> >> it was getting late.
> >> 
> >> The unit seems to be working fine so far.  I
> >> measured the current draw for
> >> the AAG Electronica V3 sensor and, not surprisingly,
> >> found it varied all
> >> over.  The
> >> +5 power line ran 20-240 ma and the 1-wire bus is
> >> 30-210ma.  Not sure, but that looks like a lot of
> >> current for this device.
> >> Seems that the T238 wouldn't want to support many
> >> devices if they all draw
> >> this kind of current.
> >> 
> >> Now, lets see if the modem will send, haven't seen
> >> the LED's light yet,
> >> hopefully I just haven't caught them.
> >>   They worked during the circuit test.
> >> 
> >> This sure has been a fun experience, in spite of the
> >> frustration for a
> >> while.
> >> 
> >> Thanks for any suggestions.
> >> 
> >> john
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- John Yost <k3yjp at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Tnx will,
> >> > I am using the AAG Electonica v3 weather senors. 
> >> > Modem  board not connected.
> >> > 
> >> > Bus voltage was 4.94, Bat volt = 8.8 from the
> >> status screen.
> >> > 
> >> > Measured bus voltage varied from 4.6 to 4.94.  I
> >> suspect that the 
> >> > voltage probably dropped lower but my meter isn't
> >> fast enough to track 
> >> > it.
> >> > 
> >> > Cleaned the RJ11 and that seemed to help some, got
> >> wind direction.
> >> > 
> >> > Poked around on the board and found that the
> >> voltage at the processor 
> >> > (pins 23,24,25) is steady at 4.94 volts, but it
> >> was jumping around at 
> >> > the connector.
> >> > Redid all the solder joints - no improvement.
> >> > 
> >> > Since the AAG will accept external power and the
> >> > T238
> >> > can supply that power, I connected those lines. 
> >> > Works
> >> > great.  Temp, wind speed and direction and error
> >> counters are all 
> >> > zero!  Bus voltage still jumps around as before.
> >> > 
> >> > I'm going to try putting a jumper from the
> >> processor to R16 to see if 
> >> > that will improve that connect.
> >> > Also, I need to check the actual value of R16,
> >> guess it could be off.  
> >> > Would like to see it work properly before
> >> expanding to other sensors.
> >> > 
> >> > Thoughts?
> >> > 
> >> > john
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > --- William Beals <will at beals5.com> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > John:
> >> > > 
> >> > > It does smell of some kind of intermittent
> >> communication error of 
> >> > > some kind.
> >> > > Firstest and easiest thing to try is check
> >> things out on your bench 
> >> > > with nice short cables to all the sensors.  If
> >> problems are ony with 
> >> > > longer cables, that is a unique debugging
> >> strategy.
> >> > > 
> >> > > If the problem is on your bench, then check for
> >> standard stuff like 
> >> > > dry solder joints on all the components
> >> associated
> >> > with
> >> > > the 1-wire interface,
> >> > > including the connector.  It may not hurt to
> >> insert/remove the RJ11 
> >> > > jacks a dozen times in case some flux may be on
> >> the connectors.
> >> > > 
> >> > > Something else to check is the 1-wire bus
> >> voltage.
> >> > 
> >> > > One of the display
> >> > > screens while you are showing wx data will show
> >> > the
> >> > > bus voltage.
> >> > > Additionally check the bus voltage at the T238
> >> connector and sensor 
> >> > > with a voltmeter, if all are >4.5V life is good,
> >> if any
> >> > is
> >> > > low, let us know.
> >> > > 
> >> > > Also, if not done already, ensure minimum
> >> sensors
> >> > on
> >> > > the network to see if
> >> > > it an individual sensor that may be messing with
> >> > the
> >> > > 1-wire bus.
> >> > > 
> >> > > Hope that helps, based on your answers,
> >> hopefully
> >> > we
> >> > > can get an idea of
> >> > > where to head for round 2.
> >> > > 
> >> > > will
> >> > > 
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: wxsig-bounces at lists.tapr.org
> >> > > [mailto:wxsig-bounces at lists.tapr.org] On Behalf
> >> Of John Yost
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:08 PM
> >> > > To: wxsig at lists.tapr.org
> >> > > Subject: [wxsig] wind sensor prob
> >> > > 
> >> > > I just finished up the T238+.  Nice kit.
> >> > > 
> >> > > After a couple of power on-off cycles, the temp
> >> sensor has become 
> >> > > intermittent - works for a few cycles then just
> >> dashes for a couple 
> >> > > cycles.
> >> > > The wind direction senor stopped altogether,
> >> just 
> >=== message truncated ===
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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